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Post by ryan_lane »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #144
asdaqopqkq wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does he explain Tokyo then ?

Lax zoning regulations, relatively cheap labor, low cost of materials, and depreciating home values incentivize building new real estate. That is what separates Tokyo from New York City.

There's also (relatively) strong renter protections, including effectively frozen rent.

Yes, it's possible to increase rent, but only if the surrounding areas prices have increased, and even then the renter has to agree or it otherwise goes to court and the court tends to not side with landlords.

> and depreciating home values incentivize building new real estate

Yes and no. Most housing in Tokyo is apartment complexes and/or condos, which do not depreciate very much (and in fact in the past few years have appreciated by ~30%). Standalone houses depreciate, but the land appreciates. That leads to new construction for those properties, which often then turn into apartment complexes.

Basically, it's a matter of mostly becoming more dense over time, while also restricting price increases of rents.

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Post by radu_floricica »

afavour wrote: post #351
android521 wrote: post #239

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Experiments have already been done. You just need to look at history. Or you can just look at north korea and Kabul .

Or, you know, current day European social democracies. You can’t help but laugh at the amount of hysteria about Mamdani. No cost childcare? Free buses? Using existing rent control regulations to keep rent affordable? Oh no

I'm not sure there are many countries that actually have free childcare and free buses. Talk about it, yes. Subsidized to a degree, yes. But pretty much every municipal transport is already heavily subsidized.

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Post by whoooboyy »

dralley wrote: post #286
peanuty1 wrote: post #249

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1) "intifada" has not historically meant "peaceful resistance". It has referred to events like October 7th, and the 1st and 2nd intifadas which killed more people than the Troubles did in about 1/3rd as much time, etc. 2) Also dumb shit like "queer liberation means defund the police" and "when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been laced by the IDF"

Why does queer liberation means defund the police sounds dumb to you?

You know that for generations the police have been beating, arresting, and accosting queer people just because they are queer, right? A practice that continues to this day? (Just this year, Seattle police raided gay bars because they were gay bars)

You know that defund is not the same as abolish, right? And that the nypd has an operating budget in the billions annually?

You know that queer health care, particularly access to prophylaxis and safe facilities is woefully under funded, resulting in high homeless, violence, and drug abuse rates in the queer population right?

And that when you put them all together you get, "taking money from the police, who have historically and contemporaneously abused queer people, and allocating those funds to the medical and social welfare of queer people would be liberatory".

That sure as shit doesn't sound dumb to me, that sounds extremely reasonable to be honest given the context, history, and needs of the queer community.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

dbg31415 wrote: post #443
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

True (*) They can't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore, but insurers still have hundreds of other ways to avoid paying. There's no silver lining in the U.S. healthcare system -- it's built to exhaust, confuse, and bankrupt patients. And it's only gotten worse in recent years. (Will only get worse with the addition of more AI.) Joe Lieberman, a supposed Democrat, killed any real chance for reform we had…

Joe Lieberman and basically every Republican ever, for decades.

And the Republicans on the Supreme Court that hobbled what the Democrats managed to narrowly get through the political process.

But sure, direct all the anger for that towards Democrats, that will result in better Healthcare any day now. I hear Trump has concepts of a plan that he's been working on for over a decade that he'll let us know about in just 2 weeks.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

reenorap wrote: post #401
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

>ACA is a failure and the only thing it did was make it mandatory and unaffordable at the same time.

Compared to what? Is it really better to just be uninsured and go bankrupt over an ambulance ride?

This point alone makes your entire post suspect, even though parts of it are indeed true (it's a real shame guantanomo was not closed down).

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Post by omnimus »

whateveracct wrote: post #413
yesbut wrote: post #376

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Consider the framing today: "Trump is doing all these terrible things, making all of these drastic changes, exploiting the system to his will." The Dems can no longer use the excuse that the president is handcuffed. Trump 2.0 is showing us what the president can do. The dems consistently use that excuse to prevent popular policies from being enacted. Obama even had a ~6mo super majority where he could have codified a…

I don't want my President to act like a dictator even if they're on "my side." Some things are more important than policy. Obama understood this and respected the office. Trump took a fat dump on the office and I'm not sure if our country's values will ever recover from this race to the bottom.

This is apologetic liberal tactic to keep the status quo. US president is still the most powerful political position on the planet. They can do stuff you know.

Obama is not some good hearted hero who had his hands tied. He ran on pretty progressive campaign because it polled well and when he came to office he just did what his sponsors wanted - keep status quo.

It was keeping the money in pockets of billionaires and corporations while talking about promise of potential change by the most charismatic president ever.

That's why people don't trust democrats.

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Post by noir_lord »

slg wrote: post #451
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

I'll throw in extending parental coverage to 26. I have a sibling with type 1 diabetes and it's impossible for me to describe the positive impact those two provisions have had on their life. Just because a piece of a legislation includes painful compromises doesn't mean we should ignore its huge wins.

That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss.

Neither sides most ardent supporters was willing to accept anything that looked like a compromise and so you end up with things as they are now, with someone where compromise shouldn’t happen because there is no practical compromise.

US politics has collapsed down to the scorpion and the frog.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #594
dbg31415 wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True (*) They can't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore, but insurers still have hundreds of other ways to avoid paying. There's no silver lining in the U.S. healthcare system -- it's built to exhaust, confuse, and bankrupt patients. And it's only gotten worse in recent years. (Will only get worse with the addition of more AI.) Joe Lieberman, a supposed Democrat, killed any real chance for reform we had…

Joe Lieberman and basically every Republican ever, for decades. And the Republicans on the Supreme Court that hobbled what the Democrats managed to narrowly get through the political process. But sure, direct all the anger for that towards Democrats, that will result in better Healthcare any day now. I hear Trump has concepts of a plan that he's been working on for over a decade that he'll let us know about in just 2…

I'm so tired of "this plan wasn't perfect, it failed. Democrats suck".

And meanwhile the republican plan was to do nothing or actively make things worse than ignoring the problem. Why are some people seemingly hardwired to just blame democrats for any or everything? Because the plans they have don't immediately benefit them, the middle class person who was never down on their luck?

Even then, I fail to think of any policy that legitmately benefits the middle class either. Did abortion bans improve your quality of life? Do immigration raids help your 401k? Did that cut to EV credits get you better public transit?

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Post by whoooboyy »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #335
GenerWork wrote: post #170

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>his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road. Rent control isn't middle of the road, it's 100% socialist. Same thing with city run grocery stores. He also wants to defund the police while replacing them with community outreach people, as well as raising the minimum wage to $30 in 5 years which is absolutely wild. None of this is middle of the road in any way, shape, or form.

> wants to defund the police Ask Seattle how well that turned out

Seattle has largely increased police funding, dramatically? For a dept under a consent decree until recently.

The mayor also capped non police crisis response teams to 24 people. Total. For the city. 24.

Seattle has done everything except defund the police, lol

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Eisenstein wrote: post #455
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #416

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> Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because Because San Francisco progressivism doesn’t win on a national stage.

Times are changing. The pendulum swing back from MAGA is going to be interesting.

> Times are changing. The pendulum swing back from MAGA is going to be interesting

The pendelum swings in multiple dimensions. MAGA went mainstream in a way the Tea Party and conservativism did not by abandoning policy purity in favour of, first, messaging, and later, idolatry.

The preserved component between MAGA's messaging and Mamdani's rise is populism and, to a lesser degree, divisive politics. Where MAGA failed and Mamdani may deliver is in pragmatism (and not being corrupt).

There is an opportunity to unify "abundance" policies with inclusive progressivism or villanisation of wealth. (I'm not convinced you can do both. If you want to pursue growth and cost of living, you need to turn the capital spigots. Accumulated capital facilitates that. If you want to tackle inequality and billionaires, you'll need to temporarily destabilise those capital structures. You'll also, presumably, be increasing the lower and middle classes' purchasing power, which limits how much public spending you can do without spiking inflation.)

San Francisco progressives can influence national politics. But anyone insisting on copy-paste purism is a godsend to MAGA.

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