So is this like DigID as in the Netherlands? Or is this more far reaching?
Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
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It’s the organized elites, true, but they aren’t a monolithic block either. In a proportional system they also must spread their influence on many parties. This is a good thing. With a single party there is a greater risk of a cordyceps infection taking over, see Republicans.
IMHO the simple change that would have the biggest effect on the American political system would be to require Congresspeople to live full-time in their districts and conduct all official business over videoconference and e-mail. Lots of behavioral science has shown that the biggest generator of trust and allegiance is physical proximity and face-to-face interactions. Make all reps have their face to face interaction…
With a Supreme Court like this one, what’s on the books don’t matter. They’ll find the interpretation.
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I wonder if zkSTARKS could help here. Prove that the validity of a statement (like "I am a citizen that is authorized to receive benefits") without revealing your precise identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interactive_zero-knowledge...
This is the proposal for the UK system right now. Zero Knowledge Proofs. The technical side hasn't been adequately explained to the public.
> This is the proposal for the UK system right now.
Is it? Nobody knows if it’s going to be an app, or a virtual card, or a real card. So speculation and rumours are flying.
Whoever does comms for the government must be asleep.
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Do you know how much money the immigrants pay as taxes, health surcharge and National Insurance contributions in exchange for the right to live and work in the UK? Don't forget that the taxes, health surcharge and NI contributions of the immigrations are literally funding the NHS! I think it is fair to expect the contributors to get treatment when they are contributing so much to it.
In my experience, immigrants have low paying jobs and regularly use cash to avoid paying taxes. Most have no sense whatsoever of cohesion with the country they live in and instead make groups of similar culture that don't really try to fit in.
All my immigrant friends are skilled workers who earn more than an average citizen, contribute more taxes and pay exorbitant fees for visa, health surcharge and NIC. I am sure there are immigrants in low paying jobs too. Perhaps we need to talk about different types of immigrants rather than clubbing them all into one "immigrant" category and reinforcing the same tired tropes about immigrants.
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#595Any digital ID not using a form of blockchain tech is doing it wrong in my view.
What purpose would that serve if identity is assigned by a centralized entity (the government)?
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I'm against the ID, but the more good faith reason for a database entry is it should eliminate fake IDs.
Doesn't a physically held digital ID also do that? Assuming the encryption is strong, verifying that the data on the ID has the proper cryptographic signature should provide assurance that the ID is real, shouldn't it? I guess, depending on how it's implemented, maybe an ID could be cloned and still appear valid, but that seems like a possibility for the UK's approach as well (the clone would just point to the same d…
In a good modern implementation, it should be extremely hard to produce a physical card with an authenticated pointer to the database, because that would be also signed.
But considering that they've been retiring things like biometric residence cards in favour of web-based systems, it's possible there will be no physical component.
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Maybe your idea of afghani culture isn’t exactly representative. Also likely that the immigrants’ culture would differ from that of their native country.
The British government advises me against any travel to Afghanistan because Afghans might try to kill me. This is a country that fought a civil war in the pursuit of suppressing women's rights after all.
> Also likely that the immigrants’ culture would differ from that of their native country.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/16/donald-tru...
I hope you're right and we're getting that 1% of moderate Afghans who just believe that homosexuality is wrong, not that it should be punishable by death.
Could you do me a favour and ask yourself if you would take your wife and children on holiday to Afghanistan? Is the answer yes or no? If it's no, please explain why I should therefore be okay with my government allow undocumented Afghan men live in the hotel by my family? At a minimum should we not be vetting these people?
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Is this a real thing? It would be essentially identity fraud and having more than a couple of jobs linked on PAYE at the same time would likely raise a flag somewhere in the government
Yes - people are getting tax bills from HMRC after selling their national insurance numbers to dozens of people for them to work illegally, not realising they will be on the hook for the tax which will the affect their benefit claims (child tax credits, etc.)
But then the government should also know where to find all these unauthorised workers, I can't imagine how could anyone pull this off for more than a couple of months without getting arrested (or at the very least losing their job)
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Italy has got an ID card since forever. Of course it was a piece of paper, it's a piece of plastic with a chip now. There is some experimentation to move that into the state app. Everything accelerates when it becomes digital, for the better or for the worse. One thing that an ID does not do is preventing crime and allowing only legal jobs. People find a lot of ways to circumvent the rules as long as there are money…
do those state apps use Play Integrity on Android? will you be required to lock yourself into Apple or Google's walled garden in order to be a citizen?
No idea, I never installed it. I can do everything from my web browser.
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The ID cards as realized in many other countries are comparatively benign, because they are a physical credential in the possession of the person concerned. The government cannot stop this credential from being used except by physically confiscating it or by waiting (years) for it to expire. Distributed storage in action. The UK's proposal makes the "digital ID" a pointer to an entry in a centralized database. This d…
>The government cannot stop this credential from being used except by physically confiscating it or by waiting (years) for it to expire. Distributed storage in action. Not really. It's part of identity management or whatever it's called to have an ability to recall ids, because they get lost, stolen and people to who they are issued die. >When (not if) the database becomes an attribute store across a wider scope, the…
Post something the government doesn't like, and you can no longer get a job, but you never find out why.