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Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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They know this psychology. This dark pattern is intentional so you will use their costly service less.

I don't think this counts as a "dark pattern". The reality is that these services are resource constrained, so they are trying to build in resource limits that are as fair as possible and prevent people from gaming the system.

The dark pattern is not telling users how much they've used so they can't plan or ration.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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People who use it extensively may know whether it makes them significantly faster or not.

There's 2 problems there 1. 'faster' is subjective since you cannot do the same task twice without the second time being biased by the learnings from the first pass 2. While speed might be one measure, I've rarely found speed to be the end goal. Unless you're writing something that's throw away, you'll be reading what was written many times over. Long term maintainability is at odds with speed, in most cases.

You're implying that LLMs make maintainability worst when the opposite could happen if you know how to use the tools.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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You can tell how it’s intentional with both OpenAI and Anthropic by how they’re intentionally made opaque. I cant see a nice little bar with how much I’ve used versus have left on the given rate limits so it’s pressuring users to hoard. Because it prevents them from budgeting it out and saying “okay I’ve used 1/3 of my quota and it’s Wednesday, I can use more faster.”

Anthropic also does this because they will dynamically change the limits to manage load. Tools like ccusage show you how much you've used and I can tell sometimes that I get limited with significantly lower usage than I would usually get limited for.

Which is a huge problem, because you literally have no idea what you're paying for.

One day a few of hours of prompting is fine, another you'll hit your weekly limit and you're out for seven days.

While still paying your subscription.

I can't think of any other product or service which operates on this basis - where you're charged a set fee, but the access you get varies from hour to hour entirely at the provider's whim. And if you hit a limit which is a moving target you can't even check you're locked out of the service.

It's ridiculous. Begging for a law suit, tbh.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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For me, the difference between ration and hoard is the uhh…rationality of the plan. Rationing suggests a deliberate, calculated plan: we’ll eat this much at these particular times so our food lasts that long. Hoard seems more ad hoc and fear-driven: better keep yet another beat-up VGA cable, just in case.

> Hoard seems more ad hoc and fear-driven: better keep yet another beat-up VGA cable, just in case. Counterexample: animals hoarding food for winter time, etc.

Rather a corroborating example than a counter, if you believe how many nuts squirrels lose sight of after burying them.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I assume they have an opinion on the topic, but it doesn't mean they are right (or wrong). Think of driving a car. If the shortest path (in term to time of travel) is through traffic jam, and there is a longer path where you can drive must faster, it's very likely that most people will have the feeling to be more efficient with the longer path. Also the slow down of using LLM might be more subtle and harder to measur…

Apologies, but from antirez[1] to many other brilliant 1000x developers advocate for LLMs speeding up the process. I can see the impact on my own input both in quantity and quality (LLMs can come up with ideas I would not come up to, and are very useful for tinkering and quickly testing different solutions). As any tool it is up to the user to make the best out of it and understand the limits. At this point it is cle…

I wish I had only antirezs working on my projects, and would for sure be much more confident that some significant time might be saved with llms if that was the case.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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For the industry as a whole it absolutely does. And for the individual it absolutely does kill your ability to do it unless you actually do practice. And yes, the goal might be to only use it for boilerplate or first draft. But that's today, people are lazy, just wait for the you of tomorrow

> And for the individual it absolutely does kill your ability to do it unless you actually do practice. Just because you state it, it doesn't make it true. I could tell you that taking buses or robotaxis doesn't change a bit your ability to drive.

Depends how often you do drive. I can guarantee you that not driving absolutely affected my ability to drive (I can still drive but certainly not nearly as well as if I drove daily)

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week —a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to! I feel like someone is going to reply that I'm too reliant on Claude or something. Maybe that's true, but I'd feel the same about the prospect of loosing ripgrep for a…

i believe this is intended to combat abuse. that said, i do not like the idea.

as many other services did, and even some tangible products are implementing, the introduced limit will later on be used to create more tiers and charge you more for the same without providing anything extra. #shrinkflation

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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For most people, this is a tool we use daily. What’s the reasoning behind choosing a weekly usage limit instead of a daily one? Is it because the top 5 percent of users tend to have spiky usage on certain days, such as weekends? If that’s the case, has there been any consideration of offering different usage tiers for weekdays and weekends? I’m just curious how this decision came about. In most cases, I’ve seen eithe…

It's to make you use it less on Monday for fear of losing it by Friday.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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These resource constraints create an extremely strong incentive for customers to try all competitors…this is what makes for the best products/services. When there’s no network effects it’s a fight over algorithms and compute and fundraising ability and we actually get real competition instead of natural monopolies.

This is the most exciting business fight of our time and I’m chomping popcorn with glee.

I think Anthropic is grossly overestimating the addressable market of a CLI tool, while also falsely believing they have a durable lead right now in their model, which I’m not so sure of. Also their treatment of their partners has been…shall we say…questionable. These are huge missteps at a time they should be instead hitting the gas harder imo.

They’re getting cocky. Would love to see a competitor to swoop in and eat their lunch.

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