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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by orlp »

lobsterthief wrote: post #465
bamboozled wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard When you frame it like this... it doesn't sound like such a loss. But yeah, it's not the only way to frame it.

The percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category is statistically insignificant. It’s not even worth framing.

It's not about the percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category, it's about the percentage of students in this category who go to Harvard.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by yandie »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

I don't think this decision can force the Department of State to issue new visas for Havard students unfortunately. At least existing students *might* be alright...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by dathinab »

this is so absurd authoritarian

the core of free speech isn't if you can insult officers or similar in the larger picture irrelevant things, but the freedom of teaching, education, books etc. And freedom doesn't just means "its theoretical possible" but the absence of suppression, retaliatory actions and similar

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by scrubs »

Hilift wrote: post #440
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

> For example, getting things done with prestige connections, domestically and internationally. And the international diplomatic goodwill What you describe is relatively recent development of US foreign policy. In 1959, John F. Kennedy purchased a copy of The Ugly American for all of his fellow US Senators. After Kennedy was elected, many foreign service programs were initiated to leverage soft power. That was JFK's…

Much thanks for the jfk link. New info. Interesting info to me at least.

I will add a little nuance or my take. Balance as always is key. Toxic feminity or hopes/prayers/empathy holism alone is hardly an answer. Would it kill the dems to get some street smarts? No!

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by djoldman »

I was curious how this could legally be done. It's through this:

https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/schools/apply/getting-start...

As far as I can tell, the headlines are not quite accurate. From my reading, a more accurate description would be that one cannot obtain a student visa to go to Harvard.

So presumably, if someone could acquire legal residence in another way, they would be free to attend Harvard.

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Post by anigbrowl »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #283
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

children of the most powerful families across the world

I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

@neliv I’d like to encourage you to do a few searches and maybe ask an LLM for that ELI5 - and include what you learned!

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Post by judah »

neuroelectron wrote: post #572
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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On the contrary, the issue is that Harvard allowed pro-Hamas students to attack and persecute Jewish students. Harvard failed to protect the Jewish students, even rewarded those students who intimidated Jewish students on campus. Pro-Hamas students barged into classrooms with bullhorns. Camped out on campus and prevented Jewish students from reaching their classrooms, forming lines and locking hands outside of classrooms to prevent Jews from attending classes.

Harvard recently released a 311-page report detailing these issues[0].

It's for this reason that the federal government is withholding its funding: we don't want to fund open racism and race-based discrimination on American campuses.

[0]: https://www.thefp.com/p/harvard-antisemitism-report

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by curt15 »

logicchains wrote: post #340
dzdt wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stated reasons are not the real reasons. None of this is above-board. If you pay too much attention to what phony reasons are stated you will just be lead around by your nose. The part of the real reason that is made very obvious is that Harvard is not rolling over and doing whatever the regime asks of it, and attacks of the administration on Harvard will continue until that capitulation occurs.

>Harvard is not rolling over and doing whatever the regime asks of it The regime only started asking such things after large Pro-Palestinian protests took place at Harvard. That's absolutely the root cause, especially since Trump took hundreds of millions of dollars in funding from committed Zionists.

Check out Project Esther (e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/18/us/project-esther-heritag...). Fighting "antisemitism" is merely a pretense for seizing unchecked power.

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Post by comrade1234 »

kitsune_ wrote: post #214
mrtksn wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The action by itself comes as a punishment which imply that this is indeed great resource but because Harvard was a naughty boy means that can't have it. I want to note that when Brexit happened EU citizens had about 2 years period to move to UK and just like that get their full rights there and those with enough years of stay had the right to obtain British citizenship. Streamlined process through scanning your id u…

Oxford, Cambridge, ETHZ, EPFL, etc. are probably salivating right now.

Harvard is liberal arts, so maybe Oxford.
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