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Re: Redis is open source again

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If they try to sell their software, by your own admission, you won't consume it. That's the point. The fantasy is the idea that some of these open-source products would even work as a closed-source proprietary business model.

Then don't try to sell it. Or make something else that people can't live without and are willing to pay for and can't just pay themselves to write an equivalent instead of paying rent to you forever, whatever, what's it to me or anyone else? Do whatever you want but it's no one else's problem if you can't figure out what. Ya got no argument here.

The point is that if there was no business behind projects like Redis and ElasticSearch you wouldn’t be using them either. You’d be using some random Microsoft or Oracle product.

I’m guessing you don’t want that either, so come up with a way to make sure Redis has the financial support it needs to hire engineers to do the full time work that part time contributors like us don’t want to.

Re: Redis is open source again

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You’re living in theoretical fantasy land. Yeah, it’d be great if everything was open source and everyone was happy. But that’s not really what happens. Redis and Elastic are popular exactly because there’s entire companies behind it constantly maintaining it, securing it, and adding features. If you want use open source software at your job that’s a hard requirement. No, you can’t use “MySillyKeyValueCache” that Tim…

> Google and AWS exploit open source work for profit, and don’t contribute back enough to ensure its support. This is what you should be really mad about. The internet giants are literally killing open source. They would have to publish their changes if those projects used copyleft licences. Copyleft licences don't force to "contribute back", but they force disclosing the changes, that the community can then benefit…

I like copyleft licenses!

But they don’t solve the problem of cloud providers pulling the rug out from under companies based on open source companies.

Re: Redis is open source again

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I contributed heavily to a project during its early days and spent almost 2.5 years helping it grow. For awhile i was one of the most active contributors. Then there was talk of turning the project into an actual business, and myself and a few of the original contributers were offered extremely poor paying jobs. That no one took. Then they got a CEO, investors and we were basically forced out of the project unless we…

Come on, at least give us a hint what it is!

Yes because "pics or it didn't happen"

Re: Redis is open source again

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Free software is licensed in a way that protects your freedom. MIT license does not. Are you actually unaware of this? If so, why? Is it age or have you been sheltered somehow?

Free software is software that you are free to use or modify however you want.

That's too vague. Free software is software you can't take and then modify and keep your modifications hidden or proprietary, thus depriving your users and the community of access to these changes.

MIT license allows this, hence it's not a free software license. Because very large corporations don't like freedom they've poisoned the discourse around software freedom and launched PR campaigns trying to substitute talk about freedom with talk about openness or open source. To some extent they've succeeded, as evidenced by the chatter about it in this thread.

Re: Redis is open source again

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post #193

Lots of cynical takes in this thread - and I get it, there isn't a guarantee they won't relicense again in the future (they have a CLA that would let them) and people feel betrayed by the last license change. I think we should celebrate this anyway. It's a smart decision, it's what the community wanted to happen and it would be great if other companies with janky licenses could see "Redis relicensed to open source an…

I don't want companies to see, "re-licensing to janky licenses is risk-free, because we can always go back to the old license if people react too negatively". I would like them to see, "re-licensing to janky licenses is a death sentence which immediately makes your product almost completely irrelevant and causes the community to switch to a fork and never switch back".

Re: Redis is open source again

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After what Mullenweg has pulled, in the era of Blogging CEOs I have to be cynical. Valkey.

antirez is not the CEO of Redis.

Sorry, you're right. ICs, CTOs, and CEOs. Oh my. Pardon me for not subscribing to another accountability shell game. I again call Mullenweg.

/s in case I haven't piled it on thick enough to make an impact.

Read the last link of TFA [0], the last time this came up [1] (noting the timespan), and extrapolate as necessary.

0: https://redis.io/blog/agplv3/ (CEO)

1: https://redis.io/blog/redis-license-bsd-will-remain-bsd/ (CTO)

Or don't, I don't care. Point/fix has been made.

Re: Redis is open source again

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post #353
post #314

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Not a differentiated one. The AGPL, in its quest to be a EULA, violates free software Freedom 0 ("The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose"). https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html The AGPL literally demands specific functionality be present in the software that cannot be removed without breaking the license. The anticapitalist FSF zealots got so in love with the idea of closing what they c…

> The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose I can do this with AGPL software just fine. Which purposes are not allowed under AGPL?

You are not allowed to modify an AGPL program without adding a mandatory feature to provide the currently-running source code to a remote network user of the software. You are also not allowed to remove that functionality. It's a clear violation of freedom 0.

I suggest that you read the actual text of the AGPL. It's madness. They wanted a EULA so badly.

Re: Redis is open source again

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post #286

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> contributed a minor improvement to Redis under its original license [...] feeling betrayed as a contributor to a properly-FOSS-codebase How does this work legally? You write some code, contribute it under a certain license... and... a company can just re-license your code under any license they like?

They require a Contributor License Agreement [0] whereby you grant them the copyright to your contribution. Which means they become the ultimate decision-maker for all contributions and can relicense however and whenever they wish. [0] https://redis.io/legal/redis-software-grant-and-contributor-...

Mhm, so all the contributors to Redis ever have signed the Contributor License Agreement? It's certainly possible, but I'd be a little surprised.
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