I am currently in CS, Year 2. I'd argue that ~99% of all students use LLMs for cheating. The way I know this is that when our professor walked out during an exam, I looked around the room and saw everyone on ChatGPT. I have a feeling many of my peers don't really understand what LLMs are, beyond "question in, answer out".
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Do you have the skills and knowledge to survive like a pioneer from 200 years ago? Technology is rapidly changing humanity. Maybe for the worse.
Did the pioneers 200 years ago have the skills and knowledge to survive as a serf 400 years ago? Or as a mid-level financial analyst today? Or is pioneering 200 years ago an in-demand skillset that we should be picking up?
My point is that the necessary skill set required by society is ever-changing. Skills like handwriting, spelling, and reading a map are fading from importance.
I could see a future where pioneering might be useful again.
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> The writing is irrelevant. In my opinion this is not true. Writing is a form of communicating ideas. Structuring and communicating ideas with others is really important, not just in written contexts, and it needs to be trained. Maybe the way universities do it is not great, but writing in itself is important.
Kindly read past the first line, friend :)
I did. :)
(And I am aware of the irony in failing to communicate when mentioning that studying writing is important to be good at communication.) Maybe I should have also cited this part:
> writing as a proxy for what actually matters, which is thinking.
In my opinion, writing is important not (only) as a proxy for thinking, but as a direct form of communicating ideas. (Also applies to other forms of communication though.)
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Good idea. I'll give up my job as a programmer/doctor/lawyer/professor to an AI, and instead I'll dig ditches, I guess. AI can't do that (yet).
Oh your actual concern is showing - Doing manual labour.
Manual labor in the US pays far less than any of the above mentioned jobs. That's the alarming part--if we're to transition to manual labor and the wages for these jobs stay the same, then workers will be forced to work harder jobs for less money. I'm not sure why you'd expect this proposition to be popular?
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Flipped classroom sounds horrible to me. I never liked being given time to work on essays or big projects in class. I prefer working at home, where the environment is much more comfortable and I can use equipment the school doesn't have, where I can wait until I'm in the right mood to focus, where nobody is pestering me about the intermediary stages of my work, etc. It also seems like a waste of having an expert arou…
I should add that upon reflection, I did have some really good "flipped classroom" experiences in college, especially in highly technical math and philosophy courses. But in those cases (a) homework was really vital, (b) significant work was never done in class, and (c) we never watched lectures at home. Instead, the activity at home (which did replace lectures) was reading textbooks (or papers) and doing homework. T…
That's a good point, and maybe I was preaching the gospel of flipping too hard. It is by no means a silver bullet.
Should we let the kids who cheat using AI drop by the wayside, never learning a thing for themselves? Or should we do the same for kids who, for whatever reason, just will not do school work outside a classroom? Maybe it works really well for some subjects and not others? Or only for some age ranges? What about the students like you, and there are probably a lot of them, where it would be unfair to judge their abilities at specific times in specific settings?
I guess the reason I bring it up now is that AI has tipped it over the edge, where cheating is now so easy and effective that it is starting to tempt kids who would not otherwise cheat.
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Oh your actual concern is showing - Doing manual labour.
Manual labor in the US pays far less than any of the above mentioned jobs. That's the alarming part--if we're to transition to manual labor and the wages for these jobs stay the same, then workers will be forced to work harder jobs for less money. I'm not sure why you'd expect this proposition to be popular?
I think you along with some others in this thread are looking at the real individualistic view - "If I go from high paying to low paying, I'm in trouble". Think about how the economy may react along with it. If companies are no longer paying these high salaries, perhaps products and services go down and despite earning less $, your purchasing power stays the same or even grows!
Of course lots of speculation, but I am not particularly worried by the fields we can wipe out in future with automation and AI.
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I'll bite. Would you care to back that up somehow? Or at least elaborate. Spaced repetition as it's more commonly known has been quite studied, and is anecdotally very popular on HN and reddit. Albeit more for some subject than others
Give me another day and I'll respond in full; but my thesis is taken from the book "Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning" which was written by a group of neuro- and cognitive scientists on what are the most effective ways to learn. The one chapter that stood out very clear, especially in a college setting, was how inefficient flash cards were compare to other methods like taking a practice exam instead.…
> The one chapter that stood out very clear, especially in a college setting, was how inefficient flash cards were compare to other methods like taking a practice exam instead.
In order to take a practice exam, you need to understand the terms being used in the exam ahead of time. That's where flash cards come into play.
That said, to achieve mastery, I think you probably need both.
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Manual labor in the US pays far less than any of the above mentioned jobs. That's the alarming part--if we're to transition to manual labor and the wages for these jobs stay the same, then workers will be forced to work harder jobs for less money. I'm not sure why you'd expect this proposition to be popular?
I think you along with some others in this thread are looking at the real individualistic view - "If I go from high paying to low paying, I'm in trouble". Think about how the economy may react along with it. If companies are no longer paying these high salaries, perhaps products and services go down and despite earning less $, your purchasing power stays the same or even grows! Of course lots of speculation, but I am…
>If companies are no longer paying these high salaries, perhaps products and services go down and despite earning less $
There is endless amounts of cheaply produced slop in stores today. By and by I don't give a fuck about affording those kinds of goods. I care about being able to afford a home, having access to good healthcare, being able to travel, etc. These are the kinds of goods and services that I doubt will come down significantly in price.