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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Animats wrote: post #387

On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine. Most of the minerals mentioned, except titanium, are un-mined deposits. Or things the US has plenty of already, such as oil, natural gas, coal, and iron. Here's a rundown: - Rare earths: I've mentioned the MP Minerals, Mountain Pass, CA mine before. The US doesn't have enough rare earth refining capability, and China won't export the technology. So US…

You're right, but for Trump, there doesn't have to be an actual deal, there just has to be the _appearance_ of a deal. He just needs to be able to repeat that $500 billion number -- it doesn't matter whether it's realistic or not or will ever happen or not. It's like Mexico paying for the wall.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by whilenot-dev »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #86

Zelensky just proved once again what real leadership looks like. He went to the White House knowing that they will try to do exactly that and yet he did it with his head held high and did not sign the deal. Amazing guy. This is also a historic day for the world. US dominance over the West is over. As a European, I will vote against any politician that keeps talking about EU-US special partnership and doesn't put 'EU…

> This is also a historic day for the world. US dominance over the West is over.

Seeing the US part ways with "western allies" firsthand - a true paradigm shift, and one I'm not looking forward to.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by m3kw9 »

trackone wrote: post #441

Things like this make it seem like China will be much more likely to try and retake Taiwan soon. Seeing things like this, it is hard to imagine that the US will help defend Taiwan by providing military aid. I can imagine that trump will try to ask for something in return first. Even something like trump asking for TSMC to be sold to trump supporters (musk and others) seems likely to happen.

Maybe it goes up 100% from 1% to 2% within the next 4 years

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by gwerbret »

Bit of a tangent, but I wondered if anyone here is particularly into the serious business of foreign affairs/international relations, and can recommend a primer -- or even a curriculum -- for someone wanting to become more knowledgeable about the field. As with anything, I suspect one is better able to appreciate the ramifications of events of this sort with a more nuanced and informed perspective.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by koonsolo »

Humorist2290 wrote: post #298

If you're an American and want to vent your frustrations, you could try the US Capitol switchboard (202) 224-3121 . You can contact your senator and ask how they are contributing to the safety and prosperity of Americans, or just human beings in general.

Just protest on the streets already!

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by aeternum »

jmward01 wrote: post #506

US policy is now one of forcing the world into a zero sum game and it is a shame because the world isn't zero sum. This means the world will loose the gains from friendship and cooperation that increase the overall outcome for everyone. It is like living in a city where crime is expected so everyone puts up iron bars on their windows and the parks are all locked-down nightmares. When there is trust and cooperation yo…

I really don't understand this take, any other European country could fund the Ukraine war to continue.

The US no longer wanting to fund someone else's war is about as far from 'forcing' as you can get. Plus it doesn't even sound like we're withdrawing all funding, instead we're attaching a few conditions in hopes to end the killing.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by jopsen »

yes_really wrote: post #474

I saw a lot of people justifying Trump's moves because "the US shouldn't be spending so much money helping Ukraine in the war". I understand that argument, but what about security guarantees? Zelensky has been simply asking for security guarantees so that Putin doesn't start another war in a few years (like he did in 2014 and 2022). Why can't Trump provide that? Why should we just trust Putin's word? Or is there some…

> the US shouldn't be spending so much money helping Ukraine in the war

Russia has been a principal threat for the past 75 years.

Donating equipment is a cheap way to wear them down. Dirty cheap.

It's absolutely in US interest, as it would allow US to focus on other players.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by vitali »

If you’re a European, you should try identifying the psyops more with yourselves and your families, and support unification and democratic alliances where possible. And talk more about it since most people are absolutely influenced by conspiracies across the whole continent and across social strata. The UK was talking about the EU instituting straight bananas, and it was a key point for Brexit, including by the UK Prime Minister (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/14/boris-johns...)

If you’re an American, good luck. I’m sorry you’re gonna have to go through this.

At the end of the day, if you voted one way, it wasn’t your fault. You were probably deceived by foreign psyops. Happens to everyone.

If you voted the other way, don’t be angry. Turning it into class warfare does not provide any moral victory, and more so, is once again a distraction from the group of people who really are to blame for this. This is a the rallying point you were waiting for to become more politically active, in whatever way you can.

Also maybe consult with your constitution?

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