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>> To this day most people don’t like using Teams for chat People will say the same thing about Slack, email, and any other messaging system they are forced to use. People love to complain, especially if they're coming to a product after using a different one at a previous job.

I don't know anyone who prefer Teams over Slack.

I do.

But anecdotal evidence isn't worth much.

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I've heard that the French are strict about language, but what does "reserved" mean here? What do the French call coke¹? ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_(fuel) ?

"Charbon". The French commoner will refer to the rock coke as "charbon de terre", shortened to charbon. Similar to "pomme" is apple, and "pomme de terre" is apple from the earth (potato). Charbon is also the word for charcoal. So my grandma used charbon (coke) when she was a kid. And my mom uses charbon (charcoal) for her barbecue. In journals and scientific papers the words coke will be used. In everyday speech, cok…

In everyday speech, coke means cocaine. Coca is short form for coca cola. And cola is the generic for a coca cola flavored soda.

I admittedly used a very rare/specialist example homonym. What I'm really wondering is how context plays into it. If you're ordering drinks in France and an English speaker says they'll have a Coke, does anyone really think they are referring to cocaine? Coke is vernacular slang for cocaine in American English too, but no one confuses this with usage of the brand name to refer to soft drinks (specifically Coca-Cola, or to soft drinks in general, which is a regional thing).

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Tangential: I have a U.S. Skype Number (i.e., a real phone number offered by the Skype service) that's mainly used to receive and make (occasional) calls from/to a bank and to receive SMS occasionally. The cost is about $40 a year. With Skype Number not available for purchase since December and the Skype platform (including Skype Number) going away soon, what are some simple, good (and preferably cheaper) alternative…

Try voip.ms. Incoming texts can be sent to you as an email. A US number costs about $1.50 a month.

Does this work for Claude? I have a Google voice number, and Claude rejects it.

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> MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough? You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free. It has advertisements. It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer. Windows is a b2b product. You really think Office (365, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's "free". It has advertisements. It has data mining AI. You are not the customer.…

"It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer." You got most of the tokens right, but windows is a paid product, try that with meta or google products and you got it.

It is sold to integrators, not customers. No one walks into a store and buys a Windows for their computer at home, they buy a computer that has Windows already on it.

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Well, the better ask is why eBay bought it...

eBay is just a terrible company. (Yet, I like and use it more than Amazon). ebay had Paypal. They had Skype. And Skype was a kind of social network. eBay could have been Facebook, WhatsApp, WeChat, WYSE, but eBay always stayed, eBay.

eBay was great for the first few years. After that it just slowly enshittified. The search has only got worse, never better in 20 years.

I can't tell if their research pushes them to make the site continuously worse, or whether they just generally hate their users?

note: I've used it religiously since it launched

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but m$ doesn't have a monopoly on video/instant chat? teams is so objectively bad that anyone who was using skype will move on to a different company's product

I wish that were true. Every enterprise I've seen has thrown their hands up and said "we already use microsoft for everything else (generally email, ad, or office) and teams is bundled why would we use anything else". So instead of getting good chat and VoIP apps, the decision makers just stick with the cheapest option (Teams, they're already paying for it in one of their tens of other Microsoft subscriptions)

Compared to the rubbish that is MS accounts or email, teams is outright awesome compared to it's competitors! At least you don't get logged out of your email app and don't get notifications or any indication until you dig deep into what's going on (let's not even talk about how agonizingly slow outlook is). Or the rubbish of having to dig 3 levels down into the settings to get outlooks 2fa token (good look if the aforementioned lock out happened). I could go on. I seriously don't understand how companies would go with this rubbish (especially for shops which use Linux for a large fraction of their dev machines).

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Microsoft first completely ruined Skype in its usual way of implementing user-hostile nonsense, forcing you to integrate with the rest of its bullshit login system to use the app, and generally making what used to be a wonderfully smooth, useful communication platform into a mostly useless mess.

This latest news is just a very outdated obituary to a long-since applied death sentence that started the day the company pointlessly bought Skype.

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I had interacted with Pritt Kasesalu (PrittK) when I was very young. In the late 90/early 00s I played an MMO developed by Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) named Subspace, released in the mid 90s. It was a top down astroids-like space game with maps of up to 100 or more players, even back then. The game shut down officially but the server leaked and became community ran. The original client was not very secure so hack…

Amusingly KaZaA itself was one of my first experiences using an “alternative” client for something. There was KaZaA Lite which removed the bundled Cydoor malware, K++ which added hax features like unlimited searches and forced 1000 node reputation, and the most famous KaZaA Lite K++ which did both. Lots of others too like “KL Extensions”, K-Sig, K-Dat, but those were the two big ones.

Wow that was a blast from the past. I remember hanging out on the K-Lite forums back in the day and when a new release was exciting.

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>> To this day most people don’t like using Teams for chat People will say the same thing about Slack, email, and any other messaging system they are forced to use. People love to complain, especially if they're coming to a product after using a different one at a previous job.

I don't know anyone who prefer Teams over Slack.

Slack huddles and screen share are trash even compared to Teams let alone Zoom.

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Pre Microsoft Skype was malware-grade good. I still remember sysadmins imploding in impotent rage as it near effortlessly evaded their firewalling attempts.

2000's era P2P was wickedly good. P2P was such an interesting part of internet history. It's a shame client-server prevailed over it. Decentralized systems are so much more liberating. It felt like being a part of something rather than being a serf in someone's platform.

I think that NAT is a major reason why P2P and self hosting failed to take off in any significant way. I think that the internet would have been a wildly different place were IPv6 widespread in the early '00s.
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