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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#591

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> the other one poured jet fuel in when they opened it welp guess i'm never flying again

Per mine and per hour flying is still much safer than driving

Overall yes, but they do present non trivial medical risks for some people.

Similarly, the risks for specific drivers in specific vehicles making specific trips isn’t the same as the risks for the average driver making an arbitrary trip.

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#592

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> the other one poured jet fuel in when they opened it welp guess i'm never flying again

Per mine and per hour flying is still much safer than driving

Retention of agency carries a benefit you’re not calculating

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#593

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Per mine and per hour flying is still much safer than driving

Retention of agency carries a benefit you’re not calculating

You don't have agency over other drivers on the road and they might cause an accident without any fault of yours. That issue is (almost) entirely avoided by planes.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.

I carry a very small cross body pack with my essentials (passort, meds, emergency card and cash) that I strap on before descent and at any other time there's a chance I'll get separated from my bags.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#595

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HN has a particular fascination with aviation disasters. No disrespect at all, I've learnt more about aviation here than anywhere else. Before I came here I just assumed the whole thing to be magic.

> HN has a particular fascination with aviation disasters. HN has a fascination with Boeing's incompetency, greed and corner cutting that resulted in lost lives. That evolved tangentially into an interest in aviation incidents and accidents.

Just wanted to point out that Boeing's various disasters are not due to greed but to the combination of stupidity and greed.

When smart people get greedy, they build things that last and that they can be proud of, because that's what's best for them long term.

Whereas when smart people have zero greed, they build nothing at all. You need a strong motivation to power you through the pain of creating something good.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#596

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Retention of agency carries a benefit you’re not calculating

You don't have agency over other drivers on the road and they might cause an accident without any fault of yours. That issue is (almost) entirely avoided by planes.

Though relatively rare, there’s a surprisingly long list of aircraft collisions.

Just a few weeks ago an American Airlines regional jet went down near Washington, D.C.'s after hitting a helicopter.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#597
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Beijing and Shanghai are the two largest cities in China. There is enough demand to justify trains. There are also at least 50 daily flights between the two cities. Now what is the demand between Minneapolis and Toronto?

The twin cities MSA has a population of about 3.7 million, the Toronto CMA 6.2 million, so Chinese cities at a similar metropolitan area population and distance would be Kunming and Changsha. Which see 20 trains a day per direction, not counting the slower sleeper trains (and also 10-12 flights per day).

The population comparison is misleading. Kumming and Chiangsa are part of Shanghai–Kunming railway. The trains between these two cities don't stop at either, but connect all the stations on the larger railway. Compare that to flights between Minneapolis and Toronto. The majority of passengers are point to point, as transit passengers from Minneapolis probably take hubs such as Chicago or NYC, not Toronto. There are up to 6 daily flights between MSP and YYZ, so up to 600 passengers daily. That'd fill up less than a train. That doesn't justify a high speed passenger train connection between the two cities.

The original assertion is that train can probably replace airplane on this route. That doesn't make any sense.

> and also 10-12 flights per day

That are probably those who want to travel directly between the two cities. So even though train option exists people still choose to fly.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#598

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> the other one poured jet fuel in when they opened it welp guess i'm never flying again

Per mine and per hour flying is still much safer than driving

Oh god, there are mines?!

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#599
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Do you see lots of smoke and flames in this video? There are several people outside already, with backpacks too . It is incredible how people feel entitled to, based on a split second from a video, judge so harshly another human being who just went through a traumatic experience. We weren’t there. The situation looks under control. For all you know this person gave their turn to others inside the plane so they could…

I'm not judging harshly: adrenaline dumps are a real thing. And even though it looks under control, a few passenger interviews have indicated that many folks didn't have time to think. But the whole point of all those procedures about turning stuff off and putting things is away is situations like this: you may or may not have time to think, and you may or may not have to deal with smoke or flames. And just because t…

On a second read, my original comment was unkind and I regret it. I lumped you in with all the other comments which I saw as unfairly criticising a situation most of us will never be in and responded with mockery, but that is neither an excuse nor fair to you.

Your points are well reasoned—and I believe well-intentioned—and I should’ve done better. I apologise.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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The consensus on r/aviation seems to be that it was caused by wind shear. > This looks like wind shear to me. It was a stable approach and then it suddenly got slammed into the ground. That doesn't look like pilot-induced change in descent rate, it is too sudden for that. A sudden change in wind direction (shear) when that slow can absolutely cause a sudden loss of lift. > We have had almost 2 feet of snow up here si…

Watching the video it doesn't look like there was any flaring as you see right above the runway when landing. The approach seemed pretty stable to me and it just slammed into the runway. Some comments on that thread also noted lack of flaring.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cMC5lrE5Zek

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