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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by logifail »

KaiserPro wrote: post #508

Disclosure: I work for a social media company. However I live in the UK. Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time. I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go ou…

> We need to provide spaces for kids to be kids, and safe.

That sounds as though you believe spaces such as these no longer exist?

(Full disclosure: have three kids, don't track their location, don't believe they are "unsafe" going to play outside)

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Post by johnchristopher »

bdangubic wrote: post #580
johnchristopher wrote: post #72

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That's not the point. The focus here is on removing the smartphone out of the system, not removing features from the smartphone.

that is actually not the focus. phones in it of themselves are not actually a problem, what we do with them is. you get phone companies to provide under-16 phones which have ability to call, text, use Map and limited browser capacity and not a single soul would complain about kids having phones on them. not a single soul might be a stretch as of course there’ll always be someone but you get my point…

That is actually the focus of my question and comment:

> > *I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago,*

> *What did you replace it with* (if you did edit: scratch that, I brain froze and was thinking of "did you replace it with a regular phone") ? Most accounts I read of people ditching their smartphones mentioned they started carrying an ultra light laptop or small candy bar computer (for instance). Basically increasing inconvenience to reduce usage.

Now if you could stop hijacking the thread and assuming I don't know smartphones can be tweaked that'd be cool.

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

4ggr0 wrote: post #568
causality0 wrote: post #554

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I had unfiltered internet access from around the age of ten onwards. I can confidently say that was a horrible idea and I would have been much better off as a person without it.

i think about this a lot as someone who had unfiltered access to the internet since being a kid around 2010. on the one hand i learned to understand english as a young boy, on my own, without realizing. on the other hand i've seen videos of beheadings, terrorist acts, violent accidents, war crimes and many more, lovely things. that being said...still not sure if it's a net-negative. feels positive to me, just not wit…

Same. Im not sure if growing up watching liveleak and browsing 4chan made me a better or worse person.

I think the real effect on my life is that I was addicted to the internet and video games and didn’t socialize enough. My life turned out good, I’m married and have a decent life, but I think I missed out a lot in my university years because I was playing counter strike instead of going out and socializing and making friends. I look back now at how much time I squandered (tens of thousands of hours) but I guess many people feel this way about their younger self.

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Post by temporarara »

doug_durham wrote: post #561
temporarara wrote: post #556

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Reading a book to young kids worked wonders back then and once they were old enough to run outside without supervision they exhausted themselves quite naturally at the end of the day. You can really do million productive things with kids if they aren't feeling sleepy instead of dooming them to bad sleep with those screens.

"Those screens". How about just "screens".

No, I mean "those screens" in this very specific context, not just some random "screens".

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Post by red_admiral »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #577
KaiserPro wrote: post #508

Disclosure: I work for a social media company. However I live in the UK. Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time. I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go ou…

> there is no longer any culture of letting kids go out and socialise. Could this have died due to tech?

I don't think so, it started much earlier than that. Unless tech includes having a television in the living room.

There was the Great Satanic Panic in the 1980s and 90s, and there were more and more places where you need a car to get anywhere. Urban crime, or at least the perception of it, also did its part. It started much earlier than the smartphone era in the US and the UK, but there's still parts of the Nordics and other places where kids go out to socialise and play in the forests or fields or whatever's around today.

Tech on the one hand has given kids a new way to socialise, even if you can't meet up in person for whatever reason, you can still video call and play minecraft together. The other side of that is all the advertising and tracking and addiction-fuelling. The particular combination of always with you, always notifying you, and turning the addiction-generators up to 11 that you get on a smartphone seems to be a whole other level though.

I wanted to make another point but I've got a ping because someone has posted on discord, sorry brb.

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Post by Thorrez »

gosub100 wrote: post #578
rmbyrro wrote: post #528

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some types of content are indisputably disturbing for kids, like violence, war footage, sexualized content (esp. a sexualized female image targeting male kids & teens), etc

We can recruit them to fight in a war, but it might be disturbing to show them what they signed up for.

We can recruit kids to fight in a war?

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Post by red_admiral »

doug_durham wrote: post #584

It seems to me the issue is phone apps that are designed to exploit the limbic system. This is why you don't have slot machines in most localities. The phone itself is just a computer. Using the phone to write, help with homework, or communicate doesn't seem to be the problem. It's the addictive gambling-like apps (TikTok, Instagram, ...) that what generate compulsive and disruptive behavior.

> The phone itself is just a computer.

But one with the special feature that's it's around you all the time.

Even a computer in a child's bedroom is not around them when they're at school, going to/from school by whatever means of transport, eating meals outside their room, going to a diner/restaurant/cafe... with family (or friends), and many other activities.

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Post by AngryData »

sensanaty wrote: post #543
sebgan wrote: post #432

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We got phones for our kids primarily to keep in touch when they are away, especially when they have after school sports, at work (yes, even at 14 they can have gainful employment opportunities like reffing soccer). It would be great if the "smart" phone had a true "dumb" mode where the phone basically becomes a Nokia Blue vintage talk / text device. Not an app you have to install, but something that is part of the OS…

You can just buy them a dumb phone? No reason they need a smartphone just for messages and calls

You can kind of get away with it, but even with just SMS you are losing a significant amount of flexibility that effects how much and what people are messaging you and is the exact reason why I stopped using a dumb phone. People sending pictures or emojis or to ask a question pointing to a link. People get tired of you asking what the hell they just sent you, whether it was a picture, or just a reaction with an emoji, because often both will fail to display right or at all.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #593
4ggr0 wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think about this a lot as someone who had unfiltered access to the internet since being a kid around 2010. on the one hand i learned to understand english as a young boy, on my own, without realizing. on the other hand i've seen videos of beheadings, terrorist acts, violent accidents, war crimes and many more, lovely things. that being said...still not sure if it's a net-negative. feels positive to me, just not wit…

Same. Im not sure if growing up watching liveleak and browsing 4chan made me a better or worse person. I think the real effect on my life is that I was addicted to the internet and video games and didn’t socialize enough. My life turned out good, I’m married and have a decent life, but I think I missed out a lot in my university years because I was playing counter strike instead of going out and socializing and makin…

I'm probably a couple of years younger than you, or at least still in this phase you're describing. Love being home and gaming, just got back from a LAN where I played Counter Strike with three friends.

If your life turned out good, there's not much to gain from worrying about the past :)

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