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Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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I put an a360 Card into an old machine I turned into a plex server. It turned it into a transcoding powerhouse. I can do multiple indepdent streams now without it skipping a beat. Price-performance ratio was off the chart

How's the Linux compatibility? I was tempted to do the same for my CentOS Stream Plex box.

Amazing. It is the first time I have plugged any gpu into my linux box and have it just work. I am never going back to anything else. My main computer uses an a750, and my jellyfin server uses an a310.

No issues with linux. The server did not like the a310, but that is because it is an old dell t430 and it is unsupported hardware. The only thing I had to do was to tweak the fan curve so that it stopped going full tilt.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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2k Usually refers to 2560x1440. 1920x1080 is 1080p. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that's how it is.

1440p is colloquially referred to as 2.5K, not 2K.

I've never seen "2.5K" used colloquially and I see "2K" used everywhere all the time.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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In that case, we need a 512-bit memory bus to do this using the 32Gbit GDDR7 chips that should be on the market in the near future. This would be very expensive, but it should be possible, or do you see a reason why that cannot be done either? That said, I am not an electrical engineer (although I work alongside one and have had a minor role in picking low end components for custom PCBs), I think if Intel were to mak…

I think the goalposts may have shifted a bit, from why hasn't Intel made such a card to why is Intel not (publicly) working on such a card to be released in a year or two. In terms of what would have been feasible for Intel to bring to market in 2024, the cheapest option for 128GB capacity would probably have been ~8.5Gb/s LPDDR5x on a 256-bit bus, but to at least match the bandwidth of the chip they just launched, i…

In hindsight, I misread you as saying that 128GB of RAM on a “basic GPU” is not technically feasible. My reply was to say it is feasible.

Intel is rumored to have a B770 GPU in development, but it was running late and then was delayed to next year since it had yet to tape out, so they are launching their B580 and B570 graphics cards, which had been ready to go for a while, now. That is why the bus size appears to have dropped across generations. Presumably, if they made a 512-bit bus version, it would be a 9 series card. They certainly left room for it in their lineup, but as far as leaks have been concerned, there is not much hope for one. I do not expect them to use anything other than GDDR7 on their battlemage cards.

As for a high memory ARC card, I am of the opinion that such a product would sell well among the local llama community. There might even be more sales of a high memory ARC card for inference than of the regular ARC cards for gaming given that their discrete graphics sales peaked at 250,000 in Q1 2023 before collapsing, which can be confirmed using the data here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/discrete-gpu...

The market for high memory GPUs is surely bigger than that. That said, Intel is likely pricing their ARC GPUs at a loss after R&D costs are considered. This is likely intended to help them break into a new market, although it has not been going well for them so far. I would guess that they are at least a generation away from profitability.

Intel intends for its Gaudi 3 accelerators to be used for this rather than the ARC line. Those coincidentally have 128GB of RAM, but they use HBM rather than a DDR variant. Qualcomm on the other hand made its own accelerator with 128GB of LPDDR4x RAM:

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2023/11/introducing-qualco...

If my math is right, Qualcomm went with a 1024-bit memory bus and some incorrect rounding (rounding 137.5 to 138 before multiplying by 4) to reach their stated bandwidth figure. Qualcomm is not selling it through the PC parts supply chain, so I have no clue how much it costs, but I assume that it is expensive. I assume that they used LPDDR4x to be able to build a product since they were too late in securing HBM supply and even if they did, they would not be able to scale production to meet demand growth since Nvidia is buying all of the HBM that it can.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Can it compete with the massive used GPU market though? Why buy a new Intel card when I can get a used Nvidia card that I know will work well?

warranty. Plus, do you want a 2nd hand GPU that was used for cryptomining 24/7?

>Plus, do you want a 2nd hand GPU that was used for cryptomining 24/7?

...which will be most likely in better condition than anything that was used for, let's say, gaming...

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Who is the target audience for this? Well informed gamers know Intel's discrete GPU is hanging by a thread, so they're not hoping on that bandwagon. Too small for ML. The only people really happy seem to be the ones buying it for transcoding and I can't imagine there is a huge market of people going "I need to go buy a card for AV1 encoding".

>Well informed gamers know Intel's discrete GPU is hanging by a thread, so they're not hoping on that bandwagon.

If Intel's stats are anything to go by, League runs way better than it did on the last generation and it's the only game that has had issues on the last-gen that's still left running on DX9, CS:GO was another notable one but CS2 has launched since and the game has moved to DX12/VK. This was, literally, the biggest issue they had - drivers were also wonky but they seem to have ironed that out as well.

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What is the newest platform that lacks resizable BAR? It was standardized in 2006. Is 4060-level graphics performance useful in whatever old computer has that problem?

Sandy Bridge (2009) is still a very usable CPU with a modern GPU. In theory Sandy Bridge supported resizable BAR but in practice they didn't. I think the problem was BIOS's.

ReBARUEFI was enough to get it working on an ASUS P8P67-something something when I tried it in January-ish.

[1] https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Rather than tackling the entire market at once, they could start with one section and build from there. NVIDIA didn't get to where it was in a year, it took many strategic acquisitions. (All the networking and other HPC-specialized stuff I was buying a decade ago has seemingly been bought by NVIDIA). Start by being a "second vendor" for huge customers of NVIDIA that want to foster competition, as well as a few others…

Intel has already bought and killed everything they need to compete here. They seem incapable of sticking to any market that isn’t x86. Likely because when they were making those acquisitions they were drunk on margin and didn’t want to focus anywhere else.

> They seem incapable of sticking to any market that isn’t x86

Even within that they seem to have difficulty expanding to new areas, remember edison?

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Intel has a huge problem with business units not competing with eachother.

Do they still lock out ECC support on Core processors? I'm still running an ancient i3 for ECC support in my home server.

ECC is supported on a random subset of processors (one of each performance tier) but the motherboard still costs 500$.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Intel can't compete head to head with Nvidia on performance. But surely it's easy enough to compete on video ram - why not load their GPUs to the max with video ram? And also video encoder cores - Intel has a great video encoder core and these vary little across high end to low end GPUs - so they could make it a standout feature to have, for example, 8 video encoder cores instead of 2. It's no wonder Nvidia is the ki…

Which market segment wants to encode 8 streams at once for cheap, and how big is it?

Streaming and streamers want to do multi resolution streaming.
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