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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

nickff wrote: post #569

yeonsh wrote: post #425

Democracy in Korea at a Crossroad On December 3, 2024, at 10:27 PM, President Yoon Seokyeol declared martial law. This declaration is illegal and constitutes a criminal act, directly violating the Constitution and other laws. It is essentially a coup d'état. The current political and social situation does not meet the criteria of "a time when it is necessary to respond to military needs or maintain public order in wa…

How is this a coup? It doesn't seem to fall under Wikipedia or any other definition I can find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#:~:text=A%2... . Do you consider Justin Trudeau's invocation of the Emergencies Act in Canada to have been a coup?

From what I could understand from the news: - the current parliament and the president are at war: the president vetoed any law the parliament passed because he doesn't like them. The parliament voted the budget and cut funding to whatever the president wished for.

- all political parties voted to have the martial law order revoked.

I don't know what the fallout of this will be, but the curent president of South Korea is toast. He went all in and lost big time.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by summerlight » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #559

cyberlimerence wrote: post #386

Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

The President has said he will stand down martial law through the cabinet meeting. My understanding is that the parliamentary vote itself is not binding, but requires essentially a rubber stamp by the cabinet. They can decline to do so and the President wouldn't be legally required to stand down. Regardless, 190-0 is an overwhelming statement and if I was represented by one of the 110 absent members I would have a lo…

No, the constitution mandates the president to stand down. The cabinet approval is just a procedural one to make the boundary clear between authorities. The supreme court's interpretation is that if they don't approve it within a reasonable time, the resolution will automatically take effect regardless of the cabinet.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:24 PM UTC

intoamplitudes wrote: post #11

Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…

> crazy selfish wife abusing state resources

Seems to be something that kind of happens when someone in Korea rises to the top of political power. Remember the former president that was pretty much ousted for corruption a few years back? She had a confidant that would pull her strings.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by noworriesnate » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:29 PM UTC

wyre wrote: post #490

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, like five people in the west were convinced of that and they spent all their free time screeching about it on Twitter. Everyone else knew the difference between masks and literal martial law.

I don't know what type of narrative you're trying to spread, but considering FactCheck.org [1] had to dubunk martial law claims in 2020 considerably more than 5 people thought martial law was coming. [1] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/martial-law-isnt-imminent/

You're moving the goalposts. There's a big difference between thinking martial law is imminent and thinking it's currently happening.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by rstuart4133 » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

Kye wrote: post #431

Two informational live threads: https://bsky.app/profile/antonhur.com/post/3lcfxpcpmuc24 https://bsky.app/profile/sarahjeong.bsky.social/post/3lcfxvf... My understanding based on just finding out about this and skimming a bit: President declared martial law to distract from some embarrassing thing Military starts enforcing Assembly votes to outlaw martial law Military stands down

From that feed:

> Democratic Party aides are shown spraying fire extinguishers at the infiltrating army to keep them back.

I remember reading this type of minute by minute description of unfolding news on Twitter, back in the day. I'm reading it on BlueSky now. My, how times have changed.

I can't find a similar thread on X. For me X's lead post on the subject is:

> ELON MUSK HAS CHANGED THE LIKE BUTTON TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH KOREA!!

https://x.com/utdhans/status/1864005219278889072

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by nemonemo » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

marcosdumay wrote: post #270

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

Article 77 of the Korean Constitution: "1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law. 2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law. 3. Under extraordinary ma…

Does that mean the precautionary kind doesn't give the government any extra power?

According to the Martial Law Act, there's an extra power by the martial law commander to move the military as they want.

Some translations say "guarding martial law" instead of "precautionary": https://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_mobile/viewer.do?hseq=45785&type... "Once guarding martial law is declared, the martial law commander shall have authority over the administrative and judicial matters concerning the military of the area where martial law is declared."

But this time it was the emergency one.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by hyeonwho4 » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:32 PM UTC

decremental wrote: post #8

This article reeks to high hell of the regime propaganda writing we see about domestic politics: "Yoon — whose approval rating has dipped in recent months — has struggled to push his agenda against an opposition-controlled parliament since taking office in 2022. Yoon’s conservative People Power Party had been locked in an impasse with the liberal opposition Democratic Party over next year’s budget bill. He has also b…

The reasons referenced in the declaration of martial law were "cabinet and prosecutorial impeachments" and "budget difficulties in the face of national problems".

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #324

dmix wrote: post #309

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There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by yadaeno » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:38 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #511

all2 wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly the rationale of the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution becomes clear.

> the rationale of the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution becomes clear About the one thing this situation does not need is armed randos taking matters into their own hands. Currently, Seoul is in a constitutional crisis. The President is required to lift martial law. He has not yet done so. If people on the streets started shooting at each other, he'd have legitimate reason to send in the military. Korea's lack of…

GP was responding to a hypothetical situation where the military does not care about the law and supports the president unconditionally. In this situation does the 2nd amendment make sense?

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by vundercind » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #510

blitzar wrote: post #316

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The South marching north would force China into the conflict and the West would very tentitatively stand by while South Koreans were being fed into a meat grinder. Should South Korea manage to unify North & South it would bankrupt them. The North marching South would get little to no support from their allies and would be repelled rapidly before returning to the current status quo. So yes, I am sure. Neither sides al…

> Should South Korea manage to unify North & South it would bankrupt them. What if they didn't do that (at first), but instead (as an intermediate step) annexed the north as a colony with its own economy but South Korean governorship; and then opened said colony to worldwide foreign aid? This would be very similar to the short-term arrangement negotiated between West Germany and East Germany after the fall of the Ber…

There are all kinds of stories we can come up with to get countries out of economic trouble that's basically fictional to begin with, as long as enough other states agree to believe the new stories. The actual value held by a country is the people, natural resources, and real capital. The money part's just for book-keeping, in the end.