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That is not “de facto” selling data about an individual to other businesses. No one can go to Google and buy information about a specific person.
I think we’re just arguing semantics. No, you can’t buy user data on 1 specific person (then again, there’s many examples of people buying ads on a persons name to catch them googling themselves), but you can buy user data on small groups of people.
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I think you underestimate the value of controlling the platform that you base all your revenue from. Chrome controls the internet and android has a huge market share on mobile. The latest changes to chrome that breaks plugins like ublock origin allows them to keep maximising their advertising revenue. I think these two being open source is a major reason why they have been so successfully adopted. It isn’t direct rev…
>android has a huge market share on mobile. Not in the US they don't; it's a minority share, split across many different manufacturers who all have their own flavor of Android, their own (crappy) app stores and pre-loaded crapware apps, etc. Apple has a clear majority of the US smartphone market (and it's a vertical monopoly, with Apple controlling the phone hardware and the app store and not allowing any alternative…
I'm not sure in what world 42% isn't huge when it comes to market share. iOS having a majority isn't really relevant to this point.
And regardless, GP didn't say "in the US"; globally, they are far ahead of iOS. Sure, this anti-trust action is a US matter, but a break-up would absolutely affect Google globally.
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If these measurements are correct, iOS has about 11% more of the US market share than Android. This is very different from the global market share, where Android has 45% more. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ios-vs-android-market-s...
>This is very different from the global market share, where Android has 45% more.' This case is about US antitrust law, so what happens outside US borders isn't really that important, except as far as it affects the companies' revenues and profits. Supposedly, the actions of any antitrust action are to protect consumers/the general public, but what that really means is consumers in the US . Consumers outside the US a…
Regardless, 42% (in the US) is still a huge market share. Huge doesn't have to mean majority or even plurality.
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Chrome would be absurdly profitable. Imagine selling the default search engine setting to the highest bidder on Chrome when it already goes for $20 billion/year on the far less popular Safari.
But that behavior was just determined to be illegal, at least when the bidder is Google. It seems ridiculous if the sequence of events that happens here is: 1. Google is fined/broken up due (in part) to paying for the default search engine position. 2. In the newly broken off chrome company, they auction the default search engine position. 3. Google cannot bid on it. So I guess Microsoft is going to win that position…
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I think you underestimate the value of controlling the platform that you base all your revenue from. Chrome controls the internet and android has a huge market share on mobile. The latest changes to chrome that breaks plugins like ublock origin allows them to keep maximising their advertising revenue. I think these two being open source is a major reason why they have been so successfully adopted. It isn’t direct rev…
I think you are drastically overestimating the revenue gain from ad blockers But I agree that default search with being Google must have heavily blocked competition. Comparing how much they pay Mozilla and Apple to maintain search, it would be reasonable to estimate Chrome’s implementation to save them $1b a year But I highly doubt they make any back given > 1k people work on it
For example, if google didn't control the most popular browser, they probably would have had to say goodbye to third party cookies a long time ago, but since they do they've been able to delay it for quite a while, at least for a considerable portion of users.
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No you can't. It's not semantics. It's reality. You can't buy data on people or groups of people from google any more than you can buy data on people from NBC, ABC, CBS. From TV stations you can buy ads during specific programs. That's it. From Google you can buy ads. You can not buy data. Data is something you can do something with on your own, analyse it, etc. Google does not give you data.
I don’t think you understand how Google ads work. Here’s a super common example: - I sell red bowling shoes - I pay Google for access to anyone searching for ‘red bowling shoes’ - Once they land on my site I know who came via the Google ad (via the URL params) - A certain percentage converts, and I get their personal info and payment info I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with that chain of events! It’s…
You pay to show your website to people searching for red bowling shoes.
> However, to argue that no data was sold is disingenuous at best.
No user data has been sold.
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So if Google dies then we'll have more diverse browser and mobile ecosystem? Where exactly is the downside?
Google funds Chrome. Other browsers use Chrome as a base. The majority of Firefox's funding is from Google. They will suffer as well. MS would need to step back up with browsers and you would also have Safari left over. I think it would be a major shock to the browser ecosystem.
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> nicely provide us with everything digitally that we could need... Advertising Sorry for the snark, but no one anywhere needs advertising. Advertising in it's current form is a plague on humanity.
I started a small business selling candles during the pandemic. It's crazy how quickly you change your opinion about advertisements once you start needing to advertise your own business. All of the sudden, they're this amazing benefit for society. Advertisements can be good (when the business is good and genuinely wants you to know about good new product), and they can be bad (when the business if bad / misleading /…
I utterly despise how so much of the Internet has been gentrified and sanitized to appeal to advertisers at the expense of communities and culture.
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No you can't. It's not semantics. It's reality. You can't buy data on people or groups of people from google any more than you can buy data on people from NBC, ABC, CBS. From TV stations you can buy ads during specific programs. That's it. From Google you can buy ads. You can not buy data. Data is something you can do something with on your own, analyse it, etc. Google does not give you data.
Google will let you target on the following. Especially by combining criteria you can narrow things down to very small specific groups of people. If a person in that campaign then clicms and enters a name and email I have a better profile on them as a person than many of their neighbors. Demographics: Target users based on age, gender, parental status, household income, and more Interests: Target people based on thei…
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Chrome would be absurdly profitable. Imagine selling the default search engine setting to the highest bidder on Chrome when it already goes for $20 billion/year on the far less popular Safari.
But that behavior was just determined to be illegal, at least when the bidder is Google. It seems ridiculous if the sequence of events that happens here is: 1. Google is fined/broken up due (in part) to paying for the default search engine position. 2. In the newly broken off chrome company, they auction the default search engine position. 3. Google cannot bid on it. So I guess Microsoft is going to win that position…
It prompts the user to pick a search engine on install? And let's be honest, most people will probably pick google anyway.
But then the question is, how will companies like Mozilla and a spin-off company for chrome make money if they can't auction off the default search engine anymore?