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It might not be dating sites. I've heard of people in WoW guilds dating back in the day.
I have a friend who met her husband on an old Dance Dance Revolution forum!
Let me guess: DDRFreak?
The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community
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#592Earlier quoted context omitted.
Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…
Well, of course. Today, approaching someone of the opposite sex whom you haven't previously chatted with online is creepy.
Really? How old are you? There are still school, work, parties, clubs, bars... I even know a couple that met in their church.
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I constantly see people lament some loss of "free" third places that apparently used to exist and be so common but no longer exist. What are these free third places which used to but no longer exist?
When I was a child my parents used to sit in front of our house and drink tea. The neighbors would do the same and all children would play together. But thanks to longer working hours and the fear induced by the 24/7 news cycle no one dares sit outside anymore. My nieces don't know their neighbors. When I was a teenager there was a specific square where one would go after school (or during if you skipped class that d…
> But thanks to longer working hours
Average amount of time spent working has trended downwards for nearly every income group for every decade except at best the last decade where it's been stabilizing around ~33 to 36 hours a week or 1700 - 1800 hours a year. I'm not specifying a country because I don't have to, the only country that has actually trended upwards in working hours is China.
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You talk and sermon awfully much against individualism, shouldn't you quit being online and do some family or society work? Don't tell me you're done already, that would be hypocritical.
Why do you seem to consider surfing HN a vice or a sin?
I don't?
Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community
#595Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…
Great response.
Yes, corporations and governments aren't great parents. But then neither are parents, if they allow corporations and government free reign over developing minds.
Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community
#596Just a data point: In Valencia, Spain, in the 80s, children played in the street with no much supervision from parents. Occasionally we would stop the football match to let a car drive by. Forgetting your keys at home was no issue, you could get a glass of milk in ten different places while you wait for other (more attentive) members of your family. Nowadays there is hardly a place to park your car. Parents don't all…
I think you're on to something. Everyone always talks about social media but I honestly think cars are the most harmful technology of our time. Not least because it's not even recognised by the vast majority of people yet. Social media is at least given lip service.
Everyone working all the time sucks for many reasons. It's a trap that people have fallen for and the only ones laughing are the billionaire oligarchs. Women in particular used to work for themselves and their families, building their own assets and their own relationships. Almost like that "founder" status everyone wants. Now they work for the same few men as their partners building wealth for those men and the closest the family has to a home cooked meal is a favourite takeaway.
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So you disagree that life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights? Are you saying that they can (or should?!) be violated? Why?
No GP but I think they such rights cannot be absolute because the same right can conflict with itself. Say it's the 18 century with slavery is common. The slave owners are depriving the slaves of liberty and happiness. But the deprivation of the slaves liberty brings the owners happiness. If you cannot persuade the owners to stop depriving slaves of liberty, then there two options remain. One, you respect the owners…
Simple: A man's rights end where another man's rights begin.
To use your example, the slave owner's right to pursuit of happiness ends where the slaves' rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness begin. A would-be slave owner cannot and should not violate another man's (a would-be slave's) right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Going back to the subject of marriage, my right to liberty ends where my would-be wife's right to liberty begins and vice versa. Marriage is inevitably a compromise of both our rights to liberty. Thus, I find marriage a violation of human rights.
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#598Second comment. Sorry if excessive but it's relevant. I'm a computer teacher for elementary and intermediate school grades. You know what drives kids absolutely insane and agitated? The schools IT guy turning their laptops and Mac desktops into locked down consumption devices. The kids aren't even permitted to change their wallpaper. Those in tech with authority need to loosen up on control of systems, hardware and s…
Yeah, fuck "devices". This is a massive part of the problem. Up to a certain age, children don't ask "does it have to be the way?" It's obvious why they don't: they are learning so much anyway, they don't have time to ask such questions. So the world we present is the world that is accepted, no questions asked. Religion thrives on this.
So let's think about what world we are presenting. Physically you have no autonomy. You require a giant wheelchair to get around (called a car) which you can't drive until you're older. These wheelchairs are higher in the social order than you. You have to give way to them. If you don't they will kill you. They matter more than you.
And in the digital world too: no autonomy. You use a "device". You can't participate in anything without said device. In fact, you basically don't exist without your device. The device is more important than you. Your device does what it does and no more. Someone else controls your device. Your device controls you.
A tiny fraction of children will grow up and ask "does it have to be this was" to a tiny fraction of things. Most will go through their whole adult life without questioning it.
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No, the issue is pedantic people like you who can't understand that "want" is a simple way of saying that a system is biased towards certain outcomes. Capitalism is not an expression of human nature, it's a single possible pareto equilibrium. To say otherwise ignores huge swaths of humans history, and many modern nations which have achieved equilibrium in different ways.
Capitalism is a system built by people that recognize that humans are reliably selfish and seeks to align their selfish interests as best as it can with the rest of the populous. No nation has ever achieved equilibrium but we are enjoying the most peaceful times in history during a time after the previous wave of capitalism-alternatives failed miserably or acquiesced. Just about every measure of human flourishing is…
And now the pitch.
Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community
#600What a shocker, community ceases to exist when people living in a economic zone have literally nothing in common, other than being bipedal humanoids that are enslaved to banks.