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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kjkjadksj »

cm2187 wrote: post #245
windowshopping wrote: post #192

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Why would we be opposed to unskilled immigrants? The majority of the people who came here from Europe in the 1700s and 1800s were laborers, factory workers, farmers, and other simple occupations. Why are we pulling up the ladder behind them? Did you want to freeze the US as it was circa 1950? Things change man. The US isn't forever, anymore than Rome was. You gotta stop trying to fight the current and pretending that…

That was when those countries were going through their industrial revolution. Those same countries are now desindustrialising.

There’s still work these people are finding in the US. Ever been to socal? Go to an el salvador neighborhood, one of the most recent immigrant communities. Absolutely buzzing with people going to their various jobs. Are they stamping out Fords? No. Pouring cement and hanging drywall maybe, or cooking on the line. There’s still plenty of work for people who can offer their time and their two hands over a credentialed resume in the US.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by crngefest »

joecool1029 wrote: post #140

Again and again I've been arguing for access to information. Let Cuba land an underwater cable in Miami. Ever since I was young I was fed this line 'Glasnost helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, people wanted things their government wouldn't give them... free access to information not filtered by their government', but the US argues for some reason that Cubans can't have this. Is it fear of an even big…

Cubans have fairly free access to the internet through mobile phones and VPN. So it’s not like cut off or anything just internet is really slow and expensive. But you can get a “download” of many sites including popular YouTube/Netflix etc from a neighbourhood dealer.

Source: visited a couple months ago.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

mongol wrote: post #534
aegis4244 wrote: post #255

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Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant chi…

> Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. This can only be true if they sustain themselves on their own work. An immigrant that does not work and only lives on subsidies can hardly be called a net positive.

This is not behavior exclusive to immigrants though. Either way the welfare state is not very strong in the US. There are 75,000 homeless people in LA county for example.

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Post by stouset »

gottorf wrote: post #201
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are.

Then I have great news for them! Immigrants to the U.S. are responsible for fewer crimes per capita than native-born Americans.

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Post by zapperdulchen »

labrador wrote: post #282
pton_xd wrote: post #172

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould If you believe that quote as I do then unskilled laborers can have intelligent children. Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are…

Once someone gave me a similar argument in a rather rude utilitarian way: Look at all the white kids in our society. They get all the support they need. Any Einstein in there, we will catch. Adding support want change the outcome much. But look at the immigrant's children. There's so much hidden potential. Adding support has the chance to change the outcome dramatically.

I still have to come to terms with this way of thinking but in a world of limited resources it gave something to think about.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

refurb wrote: post #557
apsec112 wrote: post #241

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Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

That's an article from 7 years ago? Don't you think it makes more sense to look at Trump's 2024 platform? https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/ The only statement on legal immigration: "Republicans will prioritize Merit-based immigration, ensuring those admitted to our Country contribute positively to our Society and Economy, and never become a drain on Public Resources."

The amount of room they give to interpret that vague statement however they want could fit an aircraft carrier. Their actual policy position is in their project 2025 materials and it curtails legal immigration pretty significantly along similar lines that trump attempted to tread in his first presidency.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

lowkey wrote: post #559
apsec112 wrote: post #241

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Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

It seems like Trump’s immigration stance has evolved significantly in the seven years since this article was written. A few weeks ago he appeared on the All-in podcast and promoted the idea of giving green cards en masse to foreign students upon graduation. I support the idea even if I don’t support the candidate.

Meanwhile if we forget what his lips are doing and watch for the fist we’d see his republican party has a different agenda. Namely one about picking certain favorite nations and excluding others. Really just read the project 2025 materials and forget whatever tangents he goes on, as he doesn’t hold himself accountable to what he might say.

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Post by duud »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #365
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Australia has a large number of ethnic groups, media and the far right claims similar issues. Using statistics on the background of prisoners, in Australia, most non-white ethnic groups have lower representation in prison compared to their percentage of the population when compared to white Australians. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

"African (predominantly South Sudanese) youth comprise at least 19 per cent of young people in custody despite being less than 0.5 per cent of Victoria's youth population."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/racial-profiling-conc...

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Post by Shaanie »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #541
gwervc wrote: post #375

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You may throw a Godwin point as introduction, it doesn't change the fact that some groups indeed doesn't integrate well into France. And this is despite billions of welfare money given for housing, free education, free access to health, etc. You mentioned Gypsies, well I read scholarly work stating that they were warmly welcomed 4 centuries ago in the towns of my region, until people discovered a tendency of their pu…

> And this is despite billions of welfare money given for housing, free education, free access to health, etc. This assumes those things help one integrate. The Unites States notably doesn't have these things to the same degree that countries in Europe do. This means immigrants in America need to work. And work is a strong forcing function for socialization and integration. > You mentioned Gypsies, well I read schola…

America also just have way fewer refugees. Seems like it's around 60k a year, so less than 0.02% of the population per year. Sweden, for example, has had around 26k refugees per year (the last 10 years), which is around 0.2% of its population. At its peak Sweden almost took on a full 1% in one year.

Of course it's easier to integrate a magnitude fewer refugees, and there will be less issues overall.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

carom wrote: post #389
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Building a class of undocumented workers who are outside the normal legal system is simply a gift to corporations. I am staunchly against illegal immigration while being very pro legal immigration. If we need workers, bring them in legally instead of allowing them to exist in a legal grey area as exploitable labor.

You can have protections for illegal immigrants that prevent a lot of abuse. California has some good laws about this.
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