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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by Dalewyn »

jchw wrote: post #578
mike_d wrote: post #568

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If Netflix doesn't work in the browser users aren't going to lean back in their chairs and think fondly of the freedom fighter jchw that protected them from working against their own interests, they are going to open Edge and watch Netflix. No matter how much you opine the outcome is not going to change, the end users have spoken in what they want in their user agent.

Yes... that's pretty much exactly what I said. Users will indeed just do what they need to do to watch Netflix, whether or not DRM is good for them or the web platform. > Secondly, users don't really get a choice. Users are fucked because browsers implement features like DRM and websites hard-depend on them. So the user is no longer choosing whether or not to enable DRM, but whether or not they can watch Netflix on t…

>It's nice to think that you can just leave it to the users to pick and they'll always do the right thing,

>it's literally the job of people who do have that capacity to fight for the user's best interests

A user agent should not be concerned about "doing the right thing", that's none of its business. You are proposing a developer agent, not a user agent.

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Post by bayindirh »

rice7th wrote: post #504
bayindirh wrote: post #175

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Then why KDE's Konqueror is not the most prominent browser of the KHTML family, but Safari is?

Because apple themselves forked it. Only a handful of companies have the power to basically change the web browser market, and apple sure was one. Nowadays every company copies from chrome, so why would anyone bother forking ladybird?

Doesn't this contradict with what you said? According to your previous comment, even if Apple has forked KHTML, it shouldn't harm Konqueror, and it shall prevail as the most popular of its family.

However, Konqueror/KHTML is now dead and we only have a closed source Safari.

I can't fathom your comments back to back.

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Post by eitland »

mastercheif wrote: post #355
TheDong wrote: post #208

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> Safari is actually part of the solution ... > Google, like microsoft, If you're going to complain about 1-3 for google and ms, I don't think you can praise safari in the same breath. Apple's abused their position with the iPhone to make safari relevant, and unlike Chrome and IE, users can't just install another browser. Apple's behavior is the only reason I can't run my own addons I've written for firefox on iOS (t…

Orion Browser includes experimental Firefox extension support on iOS https://kagi.com/orion/

And it works really well from what I see.

Although Orion also has built in a (simpler) implementation the most important Firefox for me and I assume many others, tree style tabs. Orions built in version doesn't have the full customizability from TST but it works and presents tabs nested by what tab the descend from which is the most important feature.

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Post by infinitifall »

djeastm wrote: post #231
BirAdam wrote: post #197

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But you’d trust a megacorporation closely tied to government that has an explicit interest in tracking you, keeping paths for intelligence agencies and law enforcement open, and generally being deceptive? You trust browsers that openly phone home about your activity?

I gauge the risk of my government targeting me lower than the risk of hackers stealing/selling my information. Mainly because the latter has occurred to me numerous times already.

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Post by eitland »

criddell wrote: post #290
Y_Y wrote: post #140

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You wouldn't count OSX as someone running with BSD?

Don’t forget the PS5! At it’s heart it’s just a computer running FreeBSD.

Have you ever seen someone choosing Playstation for their server park since Playstation 3?

As their primary workstation?

(Yes, PS3 ran Linux in the beginning.)

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Post by veeti »

atlas_hugged wrote: post #546
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

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Don't forget that the GitHub cofounder is the same person who dared to have a meritocracy rug [1]! Cancel, cancel, cancel.

https://readwrite.com/github-meritocracy-rug/

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Post by eitland »

talldayo wrote: post #400
eitland wrote: post #155

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I run Mac OS. I am aware that it builds on BSD. Yet BSD is very alive and nobody who wants BSD is lost to Mac. At least I personally have never heard anyone deliberating over a free BSD vs Mac. Edit: and of course upvote. Apple ran with it. But they didn't run away with it. We still have it. Actually we have some patches thanks to them. As I mentioned in my other reply: Open source is not a zero sum game.

> Actually we have some patches thanks to them. In a relative sense, I would argue that Apple has pilfered an order of magnitude higher value from the community than they have given back. The only example of Apple's net-positive contributions seem to be CUPS and LLVM, both of which were cross-platform before Apple took control. Compared with how much networking and userland code they've taken it feels like a trillion…

> In a relative sense, I would argue that Apple has pilfered an order of magnitude higher value from the community than they have given back.

I take objection to the use of "pilfering" to describe usage of software according to the terms specified by its authors.

Or would you somehow argue that some features disappeared from BSD thanks to Apple copying their code as they were expressly allowed to in the license?

Furthermore, even if it wasn't free software but rather MS Windows or a "pirated" movie many people here would argue it wasn't theft but just unauthorized use.

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Post by RamblingCTO »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Would be awesome to have the UI/UX of arc with non-chrome browsers! It's the most productive browser ever, with the spaces and the bar on the left. Safari doesn't come close I'm afraid, as it closes all the windows when switching a space

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Post by ArtixFox »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #583
ArtixFox wrote: post #558

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Performance is overrated? What? I'm sorry but not all people are rich enough to own multiple threadrippers. Performance is a skill, probably one of the most important skills. Rust is a darn language, not a skill. You can have performant code in rust and in c++ and damnit even in brainfuck if you care enough. But the reality is that there is more performance oriented code written in C++ than in rust, and that matters.

You can make a handmade car as well but it is difficult

How does that matter??

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Post by brabel »

awesomekling wrote: post #103
Sammi wrote: post #62

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I've heard Andreas Kling say that they will not accept donations that have strings attached. This means they can never sell search engine placement to Google for instance. This is what ties Mozilla to Google.

That's right. The Ladybird Browser Initiative will only accept unrestricted donations. We're missing out on a fair bit of money this way, but we believe it's the right path for us.

I believe that's also what the Zig Project is doing. I hope that this sort of thing becomes more common, as browsers and programming languages (and many more things) really are things that we should have as "common goods" that don't have the interest of a corporation before the interest of users.
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