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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…

I'm in the exact same situation. I'm still on 7 (the last fully local version) but the cracks are starting to show. I can forgive them for iOS forcing you onto their update treadmill but they've intentionally crippled the Firefox extension for this version too, and it flat doesn't work on windows anymore and it's not like Windows or Firefox are deprecating their APIs all of the time.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I used to use keychain for my passwords. It worked really well until I tried to export data so I could use it on Linux. No dice. The way it looked there used to be an export function but then Apple decided to take it away. I think I'll stick to Bitwarden. Works reasonably well and I can back up my passwords with a simple export.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

#593

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you won't be satisfied with Apple's offering if you enjoy stable software, unfortunately. I agree regarding 1pass, but at least it's still firmly trying to solve the password management problem. Apple is trying to solve the vendor lock-in problem (i.e. how can they lock more users in to their platform).

My last password manager got sold to some guy in Morocco and my passwords put behind a pay wall, and then lost. Bring on the vendor lock in, I’m so done with all that other shit.

What company was this?

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Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

keepassxc works for me on android, windows, and mac

The very best thing about keepass is that defines a standard and publishes a reference implementation that anyone can build a compatible client for. I like KeepassXC on MacOS and Keepassium on iOS and I keep the DB in sync between them with NextCloud. If I was working on Linux/Android next week I would pick the best clients there and arrange syncing myself, again, without a third party.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting take because I can see how this reduces lock-in: 1. It's now easier to access passwords on the mac because you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords, nor have to sort through the technical entries/certificates in Keychain Access. 2. The app surfaces a prominently positioned button for one-click sharing and exporting of passkeys/passwords, whereas existing methods significantly lac…

> you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords Your passwords haven't been bound to Safari for quite a while. You already had to use the Passwords app found in Settings. Both Safari and Keychain Access have controls to allow you to open the Passwords app (the Settings one) from within them, but it stands independently. The new Passwords app seems to be the old Passwords app with some refinements, new feat…

That's my poor word choice as I also mention Keychain access in the same sentence.

I meant this in the sense of addressing people that stated that putting a password manager in Safari is vendor lock in, and accessing passwords via other methods such as the password pane in Settings as a bridge too far, along with describing that panel as "hidden" and using "dark patterns".

On the balance of information it seems clear that moving passwords to a separate app that is easy to access, navigate and share passwords (including across platforms) is the opposite of lock-in.

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I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook.

Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

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I've been using KeePassXC on Mac and Windows and sync them between each other with Unison[1]. I'd be curious to learn how others who are using KeePassXC are syncing there databases with iPhone. [1] https://gist.github.com/jftuga/0265e5403d56373662b9513d8816e...

Syncing via NextCloud.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

yep, incredibly convenient. big reason i use safari as the default on my MacBook too. honestly safari is great these days for everything except web3.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

> and you could never use a third party storage service with BW AFAIK

https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

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post #148

I've been using KeePassXC on Mac and Windows and sync them between each other with Unison[1]. I'd be curious to learn how others who are using KeePassXC are syncing there databases with iPhone. [1] https://gist.github.com/jftuga/0265e5403d56373662b9513d8816e...

I use the Passlane CLI for accessing and managing my passwords. Passlane stores the data in a keepass file that I have in Dropbox so that I can access it from multiple devices. On my phone I access it with Keepassium. Check Passlane here (I’m the author of it): https://github.com/anssip/passlane

Very cool!

Would it make sense to use this for storing keys used other shell scripts?

Does it support hardware keys?

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