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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Driving someone to suicide is also a direct cause of death, and should be treated as such.

Instagram would be shut down if we knew how many teens commit self harm as a direct result of it.

Are we arguing that it shouldn't be?

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Thanks a lot! I hope Boeing goes bankrupt and a more careful competitor buys out their assets.

the USG will never allow that to happen. boeing itself is both a significant hard-power (military contractor) and soft-power (export authorizations provide a national bargaining chip, impact on domestic economy, etc) asset for the united states. it is like intel in a lot of ways: sure, they're massive fuckups but there simply is not any chance that the US allows one of only three leading-edge fab companies to go unde…

Yeah, that's why I hope, but don't expect it...

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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You can state your vague opinions as facts all you want, but it doesn't make them facts. Imagine if we wrote code the way we talk about political matters, where trying to be correct was considered wrong, worthy of punishment or banishment . Or for a more apt analogy: imagine if the inaccuracy and untruthfulness in threads like this was tried in a thread about technology right here on HN: do you think that would stand…

I have no idea what kind of weird language game you're trying to play. If you have a problem with vague opinions, maybe you should be more clear about what you're trying to say there. You make vague claims of wrongness, inaccuracy, untruthfulness, and even punishment or banishment, without making clear what the fuck you're hinting at. You doubt that democracies tend to have better education than dictatorships? Why? D…

Let's try an analogy/thought experiment approach:

Imagine a scenario where a technology is invented, and it is working pretty good, and in some places it is objectively better than other places (it is better on a relative basis), which results in it having the appearance of being very good on an absolute basis.

Now, add in someone suggesting that it could plausibly be much better (for the sake of argument lets say 50% better), and this improvement could be very beneficial to humanity (let's throw in some compounding, self-reinforcing positive feedback loop effects), and this person just so happens (in this thought experiment) to be correct, though it is not possible to know he is correct (perhaps because of the nature and quality of the technology itself). However, for this 50% increase in optimality to actually happen, it just so happens to require substantial (say, 10%) public support, but that support cannot be achieved because of limitations caused by the technology itself.

((It would be nice to be able to branch thought experiments....I think doing one with and without that last attribute would produce interesting results.))

Now, we could swap in various object level technologies into this thought experiment, and see how things appear. My suggestion is that when swapping in education, this resembles the situation we are actually in, but because of the nature of this particular variable, we are not only not able to realize it, we cannot even consider it.

Hopefully this is clearer?

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Or another angle: consider how we are constantly improving so many things, like really working hard at it (that's what I do all day every day where I work), yet: are there (or might there be) some things that we are not working really hard at improving, that an omniscient Oracle could see (and maybe we could as well, if we were able to look, or at least try) contain massive amounts of unseen, low-hanging fruit? And, might education be one of these things? (Or: culture, "democracy", etc?)

Or another angle: do humans in 2024 have any sacred cows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_cow_(idiom)

>> Sacred cow is an idiom, a figurative reference to cattle in religion and mythology. A sacred cow is a figure of speech for something considered immune from question or criticism, especially unreasonably so.[1][better source needed] This idiom is thought to originate in American English, although similar or even identical idioms occur in many other languages. Background

>> The idiom is based on the popular understanding of the elevated place of cows in Hinduism and appears to have emerged in America in the late 19th century.

>> A literal sacred cow or sacred bull is an actual cow or bull that is treated with sincere respect.

>> One writer has suggested that there is an element of paradox in the concept of respect for a sacred cow, as illustrated in a comment about the novelist V. S. Naipaul: "V. S. Naipaul ... has the ability to distinguish the death of an ordinary ox, which, being of concern to no one, may be put quickly out of its agony, from that of a sacred cow, which must be solicitously guarded so that it can die its agonizing death without any interference."

I think a legitimately relevant reference to things like climate change, nuclear weapons, etc could be made here (with respect to the "so that it can die its agonizing death without any interference"....if we don't smarten up, we may be walking blind into big trouble), but I have to get my ass into work!

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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I think we could agree generally that "the hostile work environment at Boeing ... led to his death." It is appalling that they could apply this kind of pressure to one of their own . I'm not familiar with the process here, but does anyone know if the officer makes the determination that this is a "self-inflicted gunshot wound"? I thought that kind of assessment was for the coroner to determine over the course of the…

So he flew in from out-of-state, gave disposition next day, and magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. Mmmmmm. You don't even need the help of Occam's Razor here.

> So he flew in from out-of-state

Did he? I haven't seen any citation of his travel itinerary. Also, you can fly with a gun in checked luggage in the US

> gave disposition next day

TFA mentions his disposition "last week"

> magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period.

This is South Carolina. SC has no waiting period.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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I think we could agree generally that "the hostile work environment at Boeing ... led to his death." It is appalling that they could apply this kind of pressure to one of their own . I'm not familiar with the process here, but does anyone know if the officer makes the determination that this is a "self-inflicted gunshot wound"? I thought that kind of assessment was for the coroner to determine over the course of the…

So he flew in from out-of-state, gave disposition next day, and magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. Mmmmmm. You don't even need the help of Occam's Razor here.

Occam's razor says you should not multiple entities beyond what is necessary.

Our scenario is this: There's a guy in a vehicle. He is holding a gun. He has a gunshot wound. He has been under a lot of stress.

Explanation 1: The guy shot himself. Number of entities (people) required: 1

Explanation 2: Someone else shot the guy and staged the scene to look like a suicide. Number of entities (people) required: 2

Occam's razor says suicide is the most likely explanation

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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So he flew in from out-of-state, gave disposition next day, and magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. Mmmmmm. You don't even need the help of Occam's Razor here.

> So he flew in from out-of-state Did he? I haven't seen any citation of his travel itinerary. Also, you can fly with a gun in checked luggage in the US > gave disposition next day TFA mentions his disposition "last week" > magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. This is South Carolina. SC has no waiting period.

Never let pesky little facts get in the way of a good conspiracy!

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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So he flew in from out-of-state, gave disposition next day, and magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. Mmmmmm. You don't even need the help of Occam's Razor here.

> So he flew in from out-of-state Did he? I haven't seen any citation of his travel itinerary. Also, you can fly with a gun in checked luggage in the US > gave disposition next day TFA mentions his disposition "last week" > magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. This is South Carolina. SC has no waiting period.

So he got his handgun despite South Carolina's lack of reciprocity with his native Washington state.

Same article mentioned disposition next day, so you think he stayed two weeks at the seedy motel? I say he went back home between dispos.

So he skated background check after three days of non-response from ATF which automatically allows him to secure his firearm purchase?

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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> So he flew in from out-of-state Did he? I haven't seen any citation of his travel itinerary. Also, you can fly with a gun in checked luggage in the US > gave disposition next day TFA mentions his disposition "last week" > magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. This is South Carolina. SC has no waiting period.

So he got his handgun despite South Carolina's lack of reciprocity with his native Washington state. Same article mentioned disposition next day, so you think he stayed two weeks at the seedy motel? I say he went back home between dispos. So he skated background check after three days of non-response from ATF which automatically allows him to secure his firearm purchase?

> So he got his handgun

Was it a handgun? I haven't seen weapon type reported anywhere.

> despite South Carolina's lack of reciprocity

There are no gun transactions in SC that require a carry license. Guns can also be transported on airplanes without carry licenses. They can also generally be transported via car without a license.

> with his native Washington state.

He is a Louisiana resident.

> so you think he stayed two weeks

I don't know how long he was there, but it doesn't matter. Not only is there is no waiting period for buying a gun in SC, he could have brought one with him on his trip.

> at the seedy motel?

It was a Holiday Inn, which is a hotel and is typically 3-star.

> I say he went back home between dispos.

Does a source say that, or are you making it up?

> So he skated background check after three days of non-response from ATF which automatically allows him to secure his firearm purchase?

NICS typically takes a couple of minutes to process. In SC, like the vast majority of the US, a firearm purchase takes 30 minutes or less.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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The military and intelligence apparatus does not care You don't need the whole apparatus, just someone who has been trained by it and is morally flexible. Well, you don't even need that, but obviously people with professional experience tend to do a better job. We do not have evidence yet of this being a murder-for-hire or similar, but you're insisting on the impossibility of such when in reality it's not all that un…

Pretending this is common in the West is absurd. Why wouldn’t POTUS have journalists killed then? Surely he’s more powerful than boeings CEO.

I wouldn't write that off if a certain candidate wins in 2025 to be honest. It's not like they haven't laid hints that such things are on the options list.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Moderation isn't driven by upvotes; it's there to compensate for the failures of the upvoting system. If HN could operate by upvotes alone, that would be great—it would be so much less work. Unfortunately, it can't. A lot of the things you're complaining about have been established practice on HN for many years. If you want to learn how HN works, I'd be happy to help with that. But it's time that you stopped posting…

So what is the avoided moderation and the failures of the upvoting system? Your rebuttal has too many irrelevant new arguments. All I am saying here is that if some statements can't be read, others can't read the argument. An argument where others can't read one side's statements is not an equal argument. You must at least be able to make every comment you have conversed with readable. Otherwise it is just your speec…

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