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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nickpp »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #382
nickpp wrote: post #220

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TV helped changing quite a few regimes throughout history, and not always for the better. However, I do not think anybody would dispute the fact that TV was, overall, a net positive for mankind. Same with Silicon Valley. There are certain negative aspects to it but overall we are discussing this on the amazing supercomputer it created, with software it wrote, on platforms it maintains [1]. I seriously doubt the major…

I can't recall him ever writing black on white that TV was a net negative for humanity, but the thesis of Neil Postmans Amusing Ourselves to Death seems to heavily imply it. It is - as far as I can tell - a pretty influencial thesis on these matters.

I am sure some aristocrats somewhere are pissed off that we’re not all listening to Bach and reading Kant for our entertainment, but that does not make TV a net negative. It just shows once again that we (as a society) should never give power to various “experts” over our individual choices.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nickpp »

fireflash38 wrote: post #279
nickpp wrote: post #239

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> I'm not super convinced the end result is better. He said from the warm comfort of his home, with a full belly, writing on a supercomputer created in SV, with software written in SV, on a platform build by SV on a global network created, of course, by the SV. Would you give up technology then? Nobody stops you but I seriously doubt the productivity of hand-plowing fields is in any way higher than that of modern far…

Ah, the old "you can't criticize anything unless you're a luddite". Inevitably, you'd excuse them too cause they don't have experience. Make an actual argument.

Have you read the post I was replying to? It was a classic anti-tech Luddite statement.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by DennisP »

lucideer wrote: post #252
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

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> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> on a path towards electrified transport If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China. Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for t…

China may be investing in rail but that doesn't seem to be incompatible with BEV adoption. As of 2022, 22% of all new car sales in China were electrics.[1] In the US it was only 6% that year[2], and looks to be about 8% for 2023.[3]

[1] https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adopting-electric-veh...

[2] https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/25/us-electric-car-sales-i...

[3] https://electrek.co/2023/10/12/ev-sales-7-9-us-market-volvo-...

(Side note: the standard-range Teslas use lithium iron-phosphate batteries which don't contain cobalt.)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by lobsterthief »

gonzo41 wrote: post #384
croutonwagon wrote: post #287

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I never understood why a car company would WANT to do better than a software company. Just make something with fully integrated CarPlay or Android auto with a failsafe for rentals or those without phones that don’t want to pair. If you want the fully featured maps, guidance just pair your phone. Done. CarPlay is leagues beyond anything I have seen otherwise in an infotainment system.

I actually suspect this is a cultural thing with Japan and feature phones being a pretty dominant thing. Maybe they just don't see the priority in Carplay.

I dunno—Subaru figured it out.

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Post by DennisP »

bayindirh wrote: post #187
gizmo wrote: post #173

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I doubt that. The innovation in lithium ion batteries was fueled by the demand for consumer electronics, laptops in particular. It’s the batteries that made electric cars possible. Tesla’s did kick off the trend of big screens in cars. I prefer buttons to touch screen interactions while driving, but many people want an iPad and Tesla made that happen.

Giving where credit's due, some of the high-discharge long-endurance Li-Ion research is done by Tesla. Other electronic devices generally converge towards slow-discharge, semi-fast charge, low self-discharge batteries. EVs are unique in their battery requirements. They demand high-discharge, high-endurance, very fast charge batteries, and Tesla did some research on that front. What's important that they were not the…

Tesla's manufacturing has come a long way in the past few years. In 2018, Sandy Munro famously tore down the new Model 3 with a lot of criticism for things like their excess of parts, fasteners, and welds. They made a lot of changes, including some he suggested, and now Munro tends to rave about how well they're engineered for ease of manufacture. This is a guy who gets paid by Big 3 auto companies to help improve their manufacturing.

A great visual is this video of someone snapping together much of a Model Y like legos, in ten minutes by himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawGMl8sHzc

Another fun one is Munro's comparison of the thermal management systems for a Model Y and Ford Mach-E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc

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Post by valval »

tomatocracy wrote: post #581
valval wrote: post #512

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What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.

Isn't the Porsche Taycan in the Model S price range?

Even the cheapest trim is way more expensive, and way worse specced.

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Post by flutas »

hef19898 wrote: post #577
flutas wrote: post #563

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Again, just like every car company ever says? Check the links above. Everyone recommends rotating your tires every 5-10k miles.

Required =|= Recommended

And where is required mentioned?

Stop being completely obtuse and actually read what you're trying to refute before making a comment out of your ass please.

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Post by buffington »

underdeserver wrote: post #585
buffington wrote: post #554

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Not the OP, but I've daily driven a Model 3 for several years now and have a list. It's not a huge list, and some of them aren't unique to Tesla, but a lot are. Problems that I think are unique to the Tesla: Even after 4+ years of driving, I still hate the door handles. They require so much more dexterity than "normal" car door handles. You gotta aim your thumb at a quarter sized spot, then push in so that your finge…

100% agree on the door handles. They're objectively worse than regular old handles. But I got used to them. I... haven't really heard of anyone else having the roof spontaneously shatter. I imagine my opinion would turn as well. If I hear of more cases I would definitely change my mind and sell. The UI is terrible, but living where I do there's traffic almost all the time, and I generally go the speed of the car ahea…

The shattering roof glass isn't all the uncommon. Quality control has a huge impact on the odds of that glass shattering too. If the leading edge of the glass is any height above the trailing edge of the windshield it's more prone to rock chips. When that happens it provides a place for stresses from body flex to concentrate and break. When the Tesla repair shop was looking at my car, the got out a loupe to try and inspect what remained of the leading edge of my glass. They didn't find anything, but they said if they even found an abrasion on the glass they wouldn't cover it under warranty. Frustrating, to say the least.

The Supercharger network is a very nice part of the Tesla experience. When I first got my Model 3, I assumed that non-Tesla charging networks were at least functional, but learned very quickly how much of a mess other networks are.

Any time I've attempted to charge somewhere other than a Supercharger there were issues. Either the charger simply didn't work, or the rate of charge was slower than if I'd connected to a 110v outlet.

Another benefit I often forget about is how I can park my car in my garage or driveway with 50 miles of range at the end of the day and wake up to 300. Having the "gas pump" at home is fantastic and something I often take for granted. It's also hard to convey the benefits to those who don't charge at home. It seems like a trivial thing, and it's even something I feel weird about being so enthusiastic about. I try to tell people it's like having someone fill your gas tank every morning. For about $10.

I've considered replacing my wife's car with an EV that isn't a Tesla, but the thought of dealing with the craptastic non-Tesla charging networks stops me every time. I'm hoping that sentiment will improve as more manufacturers join the network and the overall charging experience improves, rather than decline due to the influx of new vehicles using the network.

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Post by roflyear »

nucleardog wrote: post #550
roflyear wrote: post #346

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Right? It's remarkable seeing people here defending Tesla while saying "I've only had a few major issues in four years" I've had a Hyundai for ten years and literally crashed it into a tree and it had no major issues for five years after that (and I gave it away and it ran for another five until it protected someone from a head on collision!). Now I'm on a ten year old Honda and haven't don't anything except regular…

My Subaru is a decade old now. The air conditioner clutch went after 6 years. That’s it. That’s the entire list of what I’ve had to do outside of regular fluid changes and basic consumables (e.g., break pads). Subaru is generally not near the top of the list as far as reliability. And my car should be one of their less reliable models as it’s the turbocharged sports sedan. And it’s had one issue in a decade. A few ma…

Absolutely, I have a 2012 Honda now and I can't remember any major issues. Maybe there was one "issue" like ignition coils or something, but I actually don't think so?

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Post by mantas »

fragmede wrote: post #586
tristor wrote: post #583

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Brake fluid is not flushed due to heat cycling, that is what bleed maintenance is for. Flushing every 2 years is because brake fluid is hygroscopic (absorbs water), and even brake systems are not perfectly sealed. Water in the fluid reduces its effectiveness and can cause rusting in the brake lines, leading to failure. EVERY vehicle should have brake fluid flushed every 2 years. That Tesla recommends 4 years is strai…

On a system as critical as the brakes, I highly doubt they yolo just guessed and said, eh, just make it 4 years, that sounds good. I find it far more believable they did extensive testing of the brake system, which they build, and thus know just how much water is and isn't getting into the system, and what a good fluid replacement interval is. Or maybe everyone that works there is an incompetent monkey and they never…

Maybe Tesla is just hyper-focused on Silicon Valley? I could see brakes fluid lasting that long in such a nice climate. In Northern Europe where lower part of the car is in salty water bath for 6 months a year… Checking brake fluid LEVEL every 4 years feels like looking for a trouble.
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