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Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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I've always understood the US's giant car problem was an unintended consequence of the CAFE fuel efficiency legislation, why is Europe getting caught up in the giant car fad? I'd imagine that'd be much more obvious of a terrible idea when the streets are half the size.

CAFE standards have a loophole for SUVs, don't they? Those standards are pretty silly, even without the loopholes. They should just tax CO2 emissions (or petrol), and let the market sort it out.

Yep, that's the legislation I was referring to that's the cause of the massive rise of gigantic trucks in the past decade.

There's some formula between overall car area (the literal length x width of the vehicle) and the allowed mpg for the automaker's corporate fuel economy. Yay for second order effects...

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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I'm genuinely curious how that would be true. Doesn't a hybrid have ~all of the parts of an ICE vehicle and ~all of the parts of an EV? Wouldn't that mean it can fail in far more ways?

I am not expert at all, but my belief before this discussion was that hybrid is: - ICE, which charges battery in stable cycle - E-motor do all torque So, you don't need transmission, and ICE has way less stress, plus regenerative breaks puts way less mechanical stress on the system

There are 3-4 types of hybrids:

1. Series, where it is fuel -> engine -> battery -> e-motor -> wheels , with regenerative breaking as a second power source to the batteries. These are range-extended vehicles, where a small generator allows both for more range than the small batteries could supply, and the ability to run without electric charging.

2. Parallel, where both systems are driving the wheels through a clutch system. Both systems would be expected to operate at the same rate if both are engaged. This is a motor-assist system, and the majority of road power is supplied by the gasoline engine.

3. Series/Parallel (or Split) where the two systems are mixed using a planetary gear system. Among other things, this allows for gasoline motors to be optimized for efficiency with a specific set of operating conditions, knowing the electric motor can smooth out operation.

4. Plug ins, very similar to series/parallel but where the wheels are now being driven primarily by the electric motor. The e-motor is more powerful and there is significantly more battery, which now can be charged independently. The batteries are still far below a full EV, having only 5-10% of the range available as a "full EV" mode.

All of these systems effectively have a single point of interaction between the gasoline and electric systems - for series it is the batteries, for parallel it is the clutch, for split systems and plug-ins it is the planetary gear system. The difference I suppose is that the series system has a wire connection to the gasoline engine rather than a physical drive connection, so conceptually it seems easier to swap out.

I heard that the Chevy Volt as an example was originally planned to be a series system, but the electric motor simply wasn't capable of providing the highway performance they wanted - so it ultimately shipped as a series-parallel system.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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> car safety has drastically improved Safety between cars, and within cars, has improved. However, due to the increasing size of the average vehicle on the road, among other factors, car safety for pedestrians/cyclists has decreased. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

People drive horrible now. Running lights, crazy lane changes, excessive speeding etc. Here in the US is started during the pandemic and hasn’t improved.

Running lights... that's what daytime running lights are for, no? Switch those babies on and blast through. /s

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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I’ll bet a lot of people are surprised to learn BMW is one of the most reliable manufacturers in the business.

Only for the first 3 years... and I wonder if these stats are being padded by BMW's warranty/maintenance program for the first few years. How many 30 year old BMWs with 300,000 miles do you see? Not as many as you do Toyota or Honda.

That doesn’t make sense. If it’s covered or not you still had to bring it in so that’s a mark against its reliability. BMW also sells fewer cars in the first place and most to an audience who’s less likely to hold on to them for a long time.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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You are right, research involving millions of data points gathered from 330K vehicles over the course of a year is completely wrong because you saw a couple of broken BMWs on the road on your way to work.

I mean you can tell me that the dice is fair but if I get 100 times in a row 6, I will start having some doubt.

You can do research but I will reject it out of hand if it contradicts my preconceptions. Ok, why bother with the research then?

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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> As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. That's a much simpler list: 1: Toyota Corolla 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :)

> 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :) It’s more that the ground is much closer for other makes! I think Toyotas may make more sense as new buys though since they hold their value so well.

In the current market buying a late-model, used economy car makes zero sense. The savings are still pretty juicy for luxury models though.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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My 3rd Gen Toyota 4Runner is old enough to drink and outside of routine maintenance requires almost no thought. "It's time to get a new car" given that car safety has drastically improved and I have two younger kids in that thing a few times a week but I'm honestly having a really hard time giving it up, something so reliable and plainly functional. New cars with all their computers and smart technology only look lik…

You don't want the amount of SW in youger cars though, and all these nanny annoyances.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> car safety has drastically improved Safety between cars, and within cars, has improved. However, due to the increasing size of the average vehicle on the road, among other factors, car safety for pedestrians/cyclists has decreased. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

People drive horrible now. Running lights, crazy lane changes, excessive speeding etc. Here in the US is started during the pandemic and hasn’t improved.

Ever driven in the Philippines?

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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What a disaster for VW and Mercedes, but it pretty much confirms what everyone here in Germany is saying: reliability has gone downhill, with exception of BMW and Porsche (but it'll cost you), whereas Japan is at the top for ages, with South Korea (Kia, Hyundai) providing a good, cheaper alternative.

Something that not a lot of people are mentioning is that north american made VAG (vw, audi, etc) cars are made in factories that have shown much less reliability. Everybody in Europe praises VW for how affordable and reliable they are (since they're made in-house in Germany for the most part) - excluding the 2009-2014 years since they had quite a bad Golf line in terms of reliability

So how come American-made Toyotas and Hondas top the list?

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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I think that market has already developed. Look at prices for used cars from that time period.

They will outlaw them soon enough and good riddance. Whenever I drive behind one of these older cars they usually stink.

Seriously? Maybe a Honda Pilot, but not a Camry, Accord, or Civic, which are the big sellers during that era.
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