I wonder why they didn't at least go with SCCS, maybe even CVS?
Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#592Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is no reason for there to be such messaging incompatibility between iOS and Android. My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. iMessage is and always was for iPhone users to communicate with other iPhone users. It will send messages over SMS as a fal…
>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…
Absolutely hilarious to see the willingness for folks on this platform to advocate the opening up of something a company built by fiat.
Because YOU don't want to adapt you're asking nay advocating the forceful opening up of another platform to do it for you. That's just lazy.
Think about it like this:
You create a super successful bit of software -- let's call it an operating system -- that runs on a very popular and well designed piece of hardware referred to as an internet phone -- let's call it an iPhone. :-)
It takes off. Market share is just above 50% in the country of it's birth. w00t.
Now folks that haven't licensed your software by buying the hardware you built it for are out with pitch forks to force you to support other internet connected phones when you already do support them just not in the same way. Messages are still able to be sent to these devices but they don't share the same richness.
Why would anyone advocate that something a person with autonomy or a company for that matter be forced by fiat to open up a messaging system or any other bit of kit because the mob wants them to?
People are just frustrated and entitled. This isn't open source software. You can't just go and fork it. There are entire companies that have cropped up that are trying to bridge this blue bubble green bubble divide and that's the solution to take. Until, and unless Apple caves and opens up iMessage it seems wholly un-American to force them to do so when there are alternatives be it something like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, normal SMS and the green bubbles that come with it or moving to an iPhone. I'll never buy the "waaa because I use the built-in app on my Android phone and I want to have blue bubbles when I talk to my friends on iPhones ... waaaaaa!"
There are solutions, I've already outlined them. Pick one.
> Apple is the totalitarian, the EU is trying to stop tyranny.
The EU tends to do this. A successful platform is created and to give shortcuts to other companies to build on that success they force that platform to open to competitors. This is exactly why the EU doesn't have companies that innovate like the US does.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#593So does this mean we can run our own RCS servers, just like email?
Probably a pain to set up, but should be possible. Since it's based on IMS which in turn is based on SIP, Open Source SIP servers could be the used, e.g. https://www.opensips.org/Documentation/Tutorials-RCS-Managin....
Also, will they allow using URI's instead of phone numbers for contacts?
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#595Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…
This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…
Google Messages app sends a lot of spam here in India if RCS is enabled. I confirmed this with some of friends who experienced the same thing.
Telecom Regulatory Authority of India has an app called DND which lets you register your phone number to opt out of marketing and promotional SMSes. It works really well and in case someone sends you a promotional SMS despite opting out, you can report them to your SIM provider (or carrier) and they are legally required to take an action.
But as soon as RCS is enabled, you will magically start receiving a lot of spam messages with rich text and link previews. Unfortunately, the DND app cannot see or detect those messages which means you cannot report them.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not competition.
And there’s no true Scotsman. This sort of thing is - in practice - what capitalism looks like in the 21st century.
I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#597Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…
Spam The reason why 3rd party native SMS/RCS don’t exist is mobile platform wanting to prevent spam. Imagine a rogue 3rd party SMS app blasting all your friends unauthorized texts, from your device.
Third-party SMS and MMS messaging apps already exist on Android, such as the free and open source QKSMS[1] and Simple SMS Messenger.[2] Signal also used to support SMS and MMS on Android until last year.[3] There isn't a shred of evidence that these non-default SMS/MMS apps increase spam to any measurable extent compared to SMS/MMS apps that are preinstalled on Android phones.
[1] QKSMS: https://github.com/moezbhatti/qksms
[2] Simple SMS Messenger: https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-SMS-Messenger
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#598Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…
This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…
> there's barely any carrier adoption
That might be country dependent, in the UK the four largest networks do officially support RCS I believe (combined market share of around 85-90%).
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#599Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend Meh. I'm not interested in being part of a social circle that is as petty as that.
There's 40 million American teenagers who are very interested in being a part of petty social circles.
Pretty much. Peer pressure is an insanely powerful thing when you're young and trying to fit in and Apple knows teens aren't gonna die on the "stick to an Android to stick it to them" hill.