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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by justsomehnguy » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:25 AM UTC

thebruce87m wrote: post #494

justsomehnguy wrote: post #483

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> It has nothing to do with overheating. It is battery ageing. The internal resistance of a battery increases as it ages, leading to brownouts when peak current happens yawn Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot ? It's battery wasnot only old, but swollen a bit, it's USB port was damaged so sometimes the charge didn't actually happened... but it still could survive a couple of…

I’m not sure what answer you’re looking for here - each system is different. Design, manufacturing, usage patterns will all play a part. When batterygate happened my wife’s phone was throttled but mine wasn’t. She didn’t care and never got the battery replaced but she definitely would have upgraded sooner if it was rebooting. Are you saying that Apple use different battery technology to everyone else? Or what is your…

> what answer you’re looking for here

It was a rhetorical question, yet a Jobs' fanboi couldn't resist, see the neighbouring comment.

> each system is different

Except in that part it's pretty much the same. Or your battery, even discharged, can keep up with a full load from a CPU, GPU, WiFi and GPS modules eating amps, or it couldn't even when it's fresh.

If at 3V your battery couldn't power the system then you shouldn't show 3V as 30%, you should show it as 0% and adjust %/V curve accordingly.

It's simple, it's about momentary load in amps, but "only some iPhone 6S models manufactured in September and October 2015 had suffered from a battery manufacturing defect" yet millions of iPhones were slowed down ~~totally not beacuse Apple needed to sell the next iPhone~~.

And as an anecdote - even after the years of abuse, the last time I used my XT910 it was literally showing 10% when I enabled the radio so I could receive a SMS from my bank on it. I really expected it to just shutdown (because enabling radio means data too, so all that bullshit rushed to update their things and using data => more power draw) and for me to be stranded in a remote city without money. But not only it did survive that, it kept chugging for another 4 hours, with radio disabled, ofc. *shrug_emoji*

> Or what is your point?

What people would eagerly drink any Koolaid what would make them feel entitled or standing out. Which most Apple fanbois vehemently deny.

NB: there are people who just use iPhones/Macs/whatever and don't engage in defending 'their favourite brand', of course they aren't fanbois.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by justsomehnguy » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:28 AM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #507

justsomehnguy wrote: post #483

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> It has nothing to do with overheating. It is battery ageing. The internal resistance of a battery increases as it ages, leading to brownouts when peak current happens yawn Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot ? It's battery wasnot only old, but swollen a bit, it's USB port was damaged so sometimes the charge didn't actually happened... but it still could survive a couple of…

> Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot Probably because it's a simple, slow dual core Cortex A9 with low enough power draw that it doesn't stress the battery enough to matter.

Ah, yes, the mighty Apple chips suck so much what an inferior chips from the other manufacturers never could!

Or you drunk your Koolaid and ignored "GPU, WiFi, GPS" parts.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by thebruce87m » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:33 AM UTC

justsomehnguy wrote: post #591

thebruce87m wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure what answer you’re looking for here - each system is different. Design, manufacturing, usage patterns will all play a part. When batterygate happened my wife’s phone was throttled but mine wasn’t. She didn’t care and never got the battery replaced but she definitely would have upgraded sooner if it was rebooting. Are you saying that Apple use different battery technology to everyone else? Or what is your…

> what answer you’re looking for here It was a rhetorical question, yet a Jobs' fanboi couldn't resist, see the neighbouring comment. > each system is different Except in that part it's pretty much the same. Or your battery, even discharged, can keep up with a full load from a CPU, GPU, WiFi and GPS modules eating amps, or it couldn't even when it's fresh. If at 3V your battery couldn't power the system then you shou…

This is a low quality comment not fitting with the discussions we try to have on HN. Please stop trying to call people fanboys for no reason.

> yet millions of iPhones were slowed

Citation needed. Only handsets with degraded batteries were slowed, and only after the first brownout. Replacing the battery brought it back to full speed. This is the main point people don’t understand. Every phone got the software update. The feature still exists today. But not all phones were slowed. My iPhone 11 will slow if the battery degrades.

If they wanted to sell you a new phone, was that the best way to do it? Couldn’t they… have just done nothing instead? Like the other manufacturers? Instead of prolonging the life of resetting handsets?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by ymolodtsov » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 8:25 AM UTC

As Gavin Belson once said, there's no new Microsoft. There's just Microsoft.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by afiori » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 8:47 AM UTC

mustacheemperor wrote: post #240

afiori wrote: post #154

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This is what I want personally. I use different browsers for different things: let me fucking chose which browser to use. I am currently wondering how easy it would be to build a "shim browser" that you can set as default but does not actually open the page, it only list the urls apps tried to open and lets you copy them to whichever browser you prefer.

I think a key difference here is that the prompt is not asking you to choose between the browsers you’ve already installed, it’s asking you if you want to launch chrome or safari, and if you don’t have chrome it’s an install button to the App Store. It’s essentially just an ad, presented like a selection UI. Properly implemented such prompts would be great though. Someone else in the thread mentioned how location sea…

I agree, I did not consider this aspect

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by globular-toast » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 8:59 AM UTC

chillbill wrote: post #575

globular-toast wrote: post #247

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They believe what they're writing will please the people that pay them.

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> They believe what they are writing will please the people that pay them.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by OJFord » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 9:13 AM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #547

OJFord wrote: post #542

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I wasn't blaming Windows for it being difficult as such, though for requiring it I suppose. Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there? Again, not that I'm at all an Apple/Mac fanboy, I've had one personal Apple device (2013 Air) and a couple of work MBPs since. If anything macOS could be credited with moving me to Linux. Before it I only really knew Windows…

> Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there? I generally use a Mac too, connected to Linux systems, but from the last time I disabled Secure Boot on a PC, the process was press F2 for Setup, go to the System tab in the BIOS, and uncheck Secure Boot, Save. It's not particularly harder than a Mac: Restart in Recovery Mode, Launch a terminal, `csrutil disable`…

I was trying to turn it on, not off, because it was required for Windows 11 upgrade. That involves going into the BIOS, being perplexed by key generation options and obscure acronyms, trying my best, ending up with an unbootable computer, and having to remove CMOS battery and short a couple of jumper pins to reset the BIOS (battery pull alone was insufficient).

A non-technical user could disable SIP, though they'd never need to; good luck to them upgrading to Windows 11.

Newly requiring it on upgrade when it's hard to do and hardware may be incompatible anyway isn't great IMO. It's not really protecting anyone from anything, because it just leaves them unprotected in exactly the same way on the older OS. As long as they don't brick it trying.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by diffeomorphism » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:22 AM UTC

RoyGBivCap wrote: post #544

SebastianKra wrote: post #305

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; I think this is one thing a ton of people don't realize. Apple doesn't want to sell you individual devices. They want you to sell an entire electronic ecosystem that serves all of your technology needs and seamlessly integrates all of it for you. It's why they put effort into things like handoff, copy & paste on iPhone/mac, AirDrop, iC…

Which would be fine. The annoying thing is making things worse if you don't buy in, e.g.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/16/apple-tv-iphone-required/

Or sherlocking stuff without acknowledging anyone, e.g. game porting toolkit.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by Jnr » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:42 AM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #317

trelane wrote: post #304

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Or you could run Linux on Linux hardware and get the full hardware support and sweet battery life without the Microsoft spyware.

> sweet battery life Linux has never been this, and likely never will be. On any hardware supported fully by both, Windows will always have better battery life. Back when I was a thinkpad user, i'd literally live in a vmware workstation linux VM on windows, and THIS had better battery life than linux natively on the same thinkpad.

That is not true. Maybe it is your experience but it is not universal. And you have to look at that particular device you used. Depending on the distro you most likely will have to do additional configuration to enable different power saving features on Linux.

From the Thinkpads I have seen and used (last one in 2023) I haven't yet seen one that is "fully supported" out of the box on Linux and all of them required some degree of tinkering.

By the way Arch wiki has a nice overview on configuring power saving properly, in case you ever need it in the future: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by hospitalJail » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:49 AM UTC

acdha wrote: post #521

hospitalJail wrote: post #452

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>Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. Oh yeah its not a Apple thing, its a human thing. Apple takes advantage of that weakness in humans and reinforces it with their marketing. I personally don't have the ethics to take advantage of people who are class insecure, but Apple stepped up in the tech space. Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and its fine beca…

> Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and it’s fine because they sell a social club, not necessarily the ability to compute. Yes, that’s the claim but it’s glaring how it’s an emotional position presented as a given but completely unsupported by any evidence and bears a striking resemblance to a competitor’s PR campaign. If this was true, it’d be easy to point to things like ads or marketing…

>apps like WhatsApp are far more popular.

Popular doesnt mean 'in-group'.

>I get it may help you feel more confident about your Android preferences to concoct these weird theories about iOS buyers being brainwashed

No, we learned this during my MBA. Apple is basically 50% of your marketing classes. I'm not sure you want to call academics incorrect here. They were spot on, they knew you'd come to apologize. Your identity is wrapped in Apple. An attack on Apple, is an attack on you.

Meanwhile I hate google and microsoft. I'm agonistic and trying to find anything better. Heck, I even think Linux isnt great for consumers given all the USB issues I've had.

Do Apple fans complain about butterfly keyboards, international high stakes security breaches, and holding your phone wrong? Or do they rush to Apple's defense. Weird you don't see people doing that in Google and Microsoft threads.