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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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kulahan wrote: post #473
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

They would have no way of knowing if your wife or you are using your wife's account, so of course it doesn't include that. Why would you need to clarify that? They don't have spyware turning on your camera for facial recognition lol

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by jjulius »

gigel82 wrote: post #576
ModernMech wrote: post #535

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> Similarly, if the streaming service continues to play ads despite paying for the service, we will just pirate the content. Why though? Why don't you just watch some other content? There's so much out there, and you have so many choices, available without any ads, and also if you choose you can consume free content as well. Given that you have these alternatives, why do you feel you have the right to nonetheless vio…

Good question; I can find gimmicks and talk about how I hate ads and whatnot, but really, it's because I don't assign the same value to an infinitely copy-able digital asset (which is confounding since I work in software). I did a lot of pirating when I was a kid; I still do a little now (but a lot less), mostly out of frustration with the cost and availability of the content on streaming platforms. I wouldn't steal…

I'd also agree with this sentiment.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by DoctorNick »

somethingreen wrote: post #566
aflorez wrote: post #72

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What kind of agenda/propaganda is it? Which values are promoted?

I don't think there is an agenda, but design by committee has gotten to the point where it does look like there is one. If you are hell bent on checking the same set of was-well-received-before boxes in every piece of schlock you pump out, people reasonably start to believe that checking boxes is the point. From there any checkbox that doesn't align with viewer's world view is perceived as propaganda.

Assume that I have no real reference point for what you're talking about. What sort of things, specifically, are you noticing?

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Post by the_gastropod »

larrik wrote: post #581
bee_rider wrote: post #554

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I wonder to what extent tossing away non-paying users will hurt their network effect. How many people got HBO because their friends (paying or not) were talking about Game of Thrones? Hopefully for Netflix somebody there has run the numbers WRT one incremental unit of video-delivery-cost is worth more or less than one incremental unit of chatter.

But nobody talks about Netflix shows because there's no shared progress, so you can't even begin to discuss it with your friends until everyone is completely finished with. Then at that point, it's finished, why bother?

Not sure this is true. Breaking Bad, which blew up because of its availability on Netflix, seems like a decent counter-example.

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Post by webmobdev »

ho_schi wrote: post #569

Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

According to a TF article in 2012 - https://torrentfreak.com/top-bittorrent-countries-in-the-wor... - Spain was one of the top 10 countries of torrent downloaders. Is there any statistics of torrent users (by country) for 2023? It will be interesting to see if those million outraged spanish Netflix users have now turned to torrenting Netflix shows.

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Post by bmarquez »

biztos wrote: post #430
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

Apple, Google and Amazon would seem to have a big advantage here in doing Family Accounts. By putting someone "in your family" you at least feel like you're giving them access to a lot of stuff, so you probably don't do it with friends as much. Plus there is some unique tracking by account even if it's just an email address. I never tried it but I would assume I can't be in multiple "families" at the same time on Pri…

I am already sharing Apple TV+ using Family Sharing and it's working out great.

There are Apple limits to how often you can change families, and potentially family members could buy apps with your account or use its storage, so you're incentivized to only share with people you trust and not random strangers.

Netflix needs something similar at no additional charge.

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Post by autoexec »

the_gastropod wrote: post #594
larrik wrote: post #581

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But nobody talks about Netflix shows because there's no shared progress, so you can't even begin to discuss it with your friends until everyone is completely finished with. Then at that point, it's finished, why bother?

Not sure this is true. Breaking Bad, which blew up because of its availability on Netflix, seems like a decent counter-example.

Stranger things too.

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Post by DoctorNick »

hulitu wrote: post #465
aflorez wrote: post #72

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What kind of agenda/propaganda is it? Which values are promoted?

Violence. Extreme right. I searched for Dracula, got documentaries about nazis.

I mean, what are said documentaries about the nazis like? Are they presenting an uncritical viewpoint? I don't think I've ever seen a documentary about the nazis not include the context of all the horrible shit they did

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Post by squeaky-clean »

mrweasel wrote: post #350
pajko wrote: post #66

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Somehow good shows tend to get cancelled, and it's not worth starting to watch something if it's likely going to have the same fate. https://decider.com/list/canceled-netflix-original-shows/

You have to love that under "Why was X cancelled" they basically just compliment the show runner and actors for their work or cite "creative differences", rarely do they actually provide an actual explanation, such as "The show had to few viewers".

It's also becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Shows get canceled before they can conclude, so I don't watch any Netflix shows now until after the final episode airs. But the final episode never airs because there weren't enough people watching the show while it was in production.

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Post by philsnow »

bmelton wrote: post #506
r00fus wrote: post #468

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>but the combination of all of them doing that turn one fairly decent (not perfect, but decent) streaming service into an array of streaming services each individually not worth the subscription. And thus we're back at "cable rates" but pick your poison. The response should be "cancel services when you don't need them" but it's tougher if you have a family with young kids who you let watch. I really liked paying CBS/…

A friend of mine just does one service at a time, and it's low-key fairly brilliant. There's a bit of headache with installing / uninstalling apps on televisions and having to log into things once a month or quarter or however long it takes him, but the kernel of the idea is that there are generally only a few new, good shows worth watching for any given network, but all the good shows are roughly equally distributed…

I wonder whether some of the media streaming companies are going to try to use the sports streaming playbook, where you get penalized for canceling and then resubcribing within Those penalties could be "we just won't let you sign up" or "oh you don't get the promotional rate then, your rate for Netflix will be $44.95/mo for the next 11 months".
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