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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by extra88 »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #511
mnd999 wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users don’t want crappy PWAs, they want something that follows the platform UI conventions. It’s good that Apple care enough about about UX to actually enforce this.

Just some anecdata: I use the Outlook PWA (on an iPhone!) to access my work mail and calendar. It does not have notifications, which I really liked for calendar events (because I’m forgetful), so that’s a bit sad. However, there is a decisive pro: It cannot enforce restrictive device policies. What a great feature! UX isn’t half bad either. It actually feels pretty native most of the time.

iOS 16.4 added notification support for websites added to the home screen, does Microsoft need to make a change to use it?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by zo1 »

stavros wrote: post #374
mrighele wrote: post #226

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"If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store" I don't know about the other one, but in the Steam store I see "Buy" buttons, not "Rent". "Buy " in the store page, then when you go a "Shopping Cart", where you can "Purchase" the game. To me (and to the average people, I guess) it doesn't sound as a rental service at all. I'm sure that their ToS says otherwise, but I wond…

That's the GP's point, they rent you games but the language they use is "buy", and they shouldn't. They should say "rent" instead.

It won't work because the lawyers will just argue that you are "buying" semi perpetual rights to play the game.

You instead need a judge or jury or law that says: "No, fuck you, this is confusing and we don't care what's in your ToS, you will treat this as a product which has had its ownership changed in return for money".

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

That's good and all but when can we expect such a revolutionary feature as listening to two apps at the same time? Or at least not having the Podcasts app stop because some video autoplays in the browser. The fact that Apple still stubbornly calls this 30% fee-generator pretext an "operating system", shameless. (Been using an iPhone only for 3-5 core apps, Phone/messaging, Camera, browser, Podcasts, for a decade)

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by tyingq »

mnd999 wrote: post #442
hurtuvac78 wrote: post #250

Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this. There is a great tool to increase security: the browser and its sandbox. You don't need to install anything fishy on your phone, and the sandbox rights coukd be sufficient for many apps. But as an example, Apple denies the full screen feature for websites and even PWA... only installed on…

Users don’t want crappy PWAs, they want something that follows the platform UI conventions. It’s good that Apple care enough about about UX to actually enforce this.

Aren't there a lot of "native apps" that just launch a webview though?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by JD557 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #162
JD557 wrote: post #129

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Unfortunately, I don't think this is always true for physical SIMs. I recently bought a temporary SIM in the US during my holidays (StraightTalk) and was surprised that you can only use the physical SIM after you register online with you IMEI. I haven't checked, but I imagine that after that the card would only work with that IMEI. Fortunately, I don't think this is a practice in Europe.

To be fair, though, Straight Talk is absolutely hot garbage. I had a fiasco trying to activate two physical SIMs and port numbers to them back in January. Their provisioning system chokes and dies on phones with both eSIM and physical SIM capability (like the factory-unlocked iPhone SE 3rd gen models I was trying to activate). I spent hours on the phone holding and talking to reps, getting disconnected and calling ba…

I'm quite happy to read this, because my experience was also awful - they didn't accept the IMEI of 3 phones I tried and their app is full of ads (not to mention that I kept receiving scam calls).

I really hope that it's because they are awful and this is not the typical American mobile phone experience.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Razengan »

vetinari wrote: post #370
Razengan wrote: post #300

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How long did it take for Android to have finely grained permissions?

Since start. Originally, they were too fine-grained though.

https://www.howtogeek.com/177711/ios-has-app-permissions-too... (2013)

https://source.android.com/docs/core/permissions/runtime_per...

Man the amount of false shit that gets thrown around by these Android vs iOS mobs, usually by people who don't even know their own side.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Strom »

jeroenhd wrote: post #414
cyberpunk wrote: post #61

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How come I can run so much software compiled from source then?

Likely because you've either disabled some of the overbearing security mechanisms at some point (smartscreen is a toggle and it's really frustrating if you're setting up a compiler toolchain) or you're running files that were produced on the local computer. If you disable all the privacy invading checkboxes during Windows setup (most don't), you partially neuter smartscreen as well. Every browser I know uses the Mark…

> If the file is signed, metadata will be extracted and submitted to Microsoft. If that fails or the exact binary hasn't been run on a certain amount of computers, smart screen will show a big scary warning despite your $500 a year digital signing certificate.

This is true and annoying, but only with regular certificates. The more expensive EV certificates bypass this “well known” check.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

simondotau wrote: post #112
pseudo0 wrote: post #60

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So take five minutes to set up the parental controls on your children's devices. The idea that we should eliminate the ability to run arbitrary software "for the children" is completely ridiculous.

Then don’t buy an iPhone. I think it’s ridiculous that we are asking the government to save us from our own choices. As much as you and I don’t like it, what Apple is doing is perfectly legal. And as much as you or I might support a change in the law, you’re not going to get my support if the legislation is truly universal and not just a narrow-band targeting of a single company for developing an ecosystem which reso…

> I think it’s ridiculous that we are asking the government to save us from our own choices.

So you think it's better asking companies to save us from our own choices? And that doesn't strike you as even more ridiculous?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by sdeframond »

hooby wrote: post #143

I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

I believe lawyerspeak has three separate concepts of "ownership":

- usus, the right to enjoy the thing,

- fructus, tge right to reap the fruits from the thing

- and abusus, the right to sell, alter or destroy the thing.

To "own" something generally means all of the above, althought it might not always be the case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usufruct

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