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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. We ban accounts that do that, and have had to ask you more than once before.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27723540 (July 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27692859 (June 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20282471 (June 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17352039 (June 2018)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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> Your statement could just as easily be, on a different day: "Y'all abandoned the city for the suburbs and deprived the city of a tax base to help the poor." That's a different situation from this one, so, sure, if that's something that happened and then you're complaining about the place you don't live anymore, sure, that's also a statement that could be made. > Between "white flight" and "colonizer/gentrifier", yo…

> > Between "white flight" and "colonizer/gentrifier", you're damned if you do and damned if you don't > Not surprisingly, those aren't the only two options. "white flight" == moving out of the area "colonizer/gentrifier" == moving in to the area The only remaining option is to never move.

Neighborhoods always change but if SF were to actually build housing then people could have a place where they could still live.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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The problem with saying that SF has relatively low violent crime is that it ignores the constant, extremely aggressive verbal assault that people are just accustomed to. In the years I lived there, I had people scream at me that they were going to kill/stab/etc. me at least a couple of dozen times (I would describe this as violent crime). Of course, if you call SFPD, they'll just tell you it's not an issue and ignore…

You're right, "violent crime" is a term of art that involves the commission of a…crime. "Verbal assault" is not assault. I guess if you don't like the vibes in a place, you can go somewhere else, but trying to use such things to influence how people talk about or perceive actual , no, for real crime is intellectual malpractice.

The problem is you actually don't understand what assault is. Assault does not involving actually touching someone - that's battery. What you're describing as verbal assault is actually assault and is a real crime, generally considered to be violent crime in crime statistics.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I'm not a Maoist so I can admit when I was wrong. Looks like it was a personal beef. But that in no way changes the point that SF is a toxic environment. Here's the SF fire commissioner being brained by a violent homeless man this past week... https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/video-shows-ex-sf-fire-c...

I was wrong, but let me justify jumping to my previous preconceived notions! Amazing humility.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Thanks for that. I admit to buying the narrative. Part of that is because my nearest city of any substance is Portland, and it's not especially violent. SF does look more violent compared to Portland, but objectively SF is actually just average or less. Lots of big cities are more violent[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

I went to Portland for a week last year. I saw 6 different instances of a violent, obviously mentally ill, presumably homeless person physically attack a random person (once at a restaurant, twice at a tram station, thrice on the street, all broad daylight). That was more instances that I had seen in 5 years in Philadelphia, a city jokingly referred to as Killadelphia. Portland might not have a lot of gang violence (…

>Portland might not have a lot of gang violence

Portland has a ton of gang violence.

>but not violent isn't how I would describe the city.

It depends on where you are in the city. I live in Portland and I don't think I've someone get attacked in the entire time I've lived here. But I also live in an area that is less popular with the mentally ill and drug addicted

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

Doing a little research myself shows that he was test savey enough to know to get privacy on his, expired, website, was endorsed on LinkedIn for Cloud Computing, Virtualization by other Tech CEOs and Staff Architects, gave recommendations on LinkedIn for architects (including one at AWS) who display those recommendations on LI and say that they were clients of his, at one point was hiring for hiring for front end engineers, was keeping up to date on OS updates as far back as windows 8/9, and he clearly knows the lingo of IT.

Could it be an uber driver or lyft driver? Sure. But it seems like someone who has run a consulting business for many years in the tech space.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Wasn’t it a common perception among San Francisco residents that the security in San Francisco was getting worse, as shown by the testimony of Jake Shields, a friend of Bob Lee, who said that his girlfriend was attacked by a robber, even though it was a coincidence that the one who killed Bob Lee was an acquaintance? Besides, didn’t Bob Lee himself move to Miami because of the bad security in San Francisco?

>Besides, didn’t Bob Lee himself move to Miami because of the bad security in San Francisco?

No:

>But Krista Lee emphasized that her ex-husband, with whom they have two children, loved San Francisco and moved to Florida to live with his father after his mom died, not because he was scared to live in the city.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/emeryville-man-arrested-in-connect...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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just to be fair "mentally ill" and "in tech" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

Someone on Metafilter(?) once suggested a high overlap between IT personnel and libertarians.

It has been interesting to consider but after decades of observation I don't think it's a political thing-- I think tech attracts a disproportionate number of textbook Narcissists.

Those fuckers crave power. We have absolute control over entire ecosystems. At first it's freedom for all, but then we turn into dictators regarding our governance of it.

In the end it becomes Domain Admin rights for me, principle of least privilege for thee.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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There were 40k suicides in the USA in 2020, and about 20k murders. So statistically, if you die by violence, you killed yourself.

Idk about these numbers. ~38k people died in USA [1] from car crashes. Thats pretty violent but doesn't necessarily count as murder or suicide. [1]: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/8132... .

I thought about specifying some form of "human induced killing" but couldn't figure out how to word-lawyer it to be the group consisting of "murder + suicide".
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