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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by fzvqq »

ricardobayes wrote: post #319

If you don't like these fast changes, time to plan a move to more "traditional" countries like Italy or Spain. Apart from fiber internet, almost all tech advances were ignored for the most part: limited uber, limited airbnb, and yes you will need to call the restaurant to book a table. Even just the concept of "chat support" is foreign, let alone having a website for a business. There are still very many businesses w…

I live in Spain and this is false. There is Uber/Uber Eats/something similar in all cities and big towns, airbnb everywhere, chat support, all businesses have either a website or social media presence, you can book a table using whatsapp or social media such as Instagram, etc. Spain is nothing like you imagine it.

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Post by generic92034 »

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

So, what are the chances that it is different, this time? If AIs are getting better and better, they might replace more and more jobs. What kind of new jobs are we imagining that cannot be replaced by a "near-intelligent" AI?

If that comes to pass, the only issue for the owning class I see is that they might not have customers in sufficient numbers, that are able to pay.

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Post by frozenfoxx »

atomicUpdate wrote: post #574
newaccount74 wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone gets as much as they need, everyone contributes as much as they can.

Why would anyone contribute more than is required to get what they need, if they’ll never see any benefit beyond that? I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want, rather than just the bare minimum to survive (which is presumably what is meant by “what they need”).

Ask anyone that contributes to open source. Some of us like to make the world a better place.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

atomicUpdate wrote: post #574
newaccount74 wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone gets as much as they need, everyone contributes as much as they can.

Why would anyone contribute more than is required to get what they need, if they’ll never see any benefit beyond that? I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want, rather than just the bare minimum to survive (which is presumably what is meant by “what they need”).

> I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want

That’s fine and good, but I think many people imply that this is how our current system works. Which is just not the case.

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Post by crop_rotation »

klibertp wrote: post #557
rg111 wrote: post #446

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It's so refreshing to see someone recognizing the mass-spread denial of HN commentariat on GPT4. What HN commentariat doesn't realize is that many of them will be made redundant. And "many new jobs are created" is such a bloated, empty statement in the wake of GPT4 like techs. We all know that all technological improvements in recent decades have led to more inequality . No questions about that. LLMs, AI will lead mo…

Agreed with both you and GP. The denial is a normal emotional response. It's not strange to cling to your decades of professional experience and skillset. It's just that, now really is not the time for emotional responses. It's time to start running away from the crowd so that you're one of those not made redundant. You can grieve the lost innocence of days past later.

The thing is unlike the rise of the PC based tools, with the rise of LLMs it is too hard to see what the safe careers are. Careers that might be safe and have high income potential are mostly not quick to switch to.

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Post by Sharlin »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

What about all the work that's a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, anhedonism, and despair? You're naive and privileged if you think that there's not plenty of that.

And, as others have mentioned, not working for living at a subsistence level does not mean not doing rewarding and value-producing things. Quite the contrary.

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Post by hackinthebochs »

gardenhedge wrote: post #276
netbioserror wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

Extrapolating your experience to all of humanity is not useful.

Especially since the readers of this site are very non-representative.

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Post by visarga »

I think OP is reacting too much to the implied threat of chatGPT. It's not so good as it seems. If it does the job in 1:10 the time and still makes errors, then it might speed up productivity by a mere 2x because manual review is hard.

In my experience there is no task where chatGPT is 100% reliable, if it is high stakes it needs review. And chatGPT might not be best - for almost any task there is a specialised model that does it better.

Humans make different kinds of errors anyway, we are GPT-N level for a large value of N - so a combination of AI+human might give best results.

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