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Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Comparing Bard to Bing and GOT4 today. Bard was the worst of the bunch. Bing was actually the best overall. Not surprising since it's basically GPT4+Search context.

Bard did do fairly well on some of the questions I asked that were things google would be good at answering. Did not do well at all on generating code in more obscure languages.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Can you elaborate on what you found wrong with the above comment?

Reflexive "Google will just shut it down" reactions were already a cliché 10 years ago. It's been tedious for a long time, and therefore is not driven by curiosity, and curiosity is what we're optimizing for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... Google really does shut things down—I know! But for a good HN comment, it's not enough to say something true—one should say something true that has…

I have no idea about you being recorded, but I have to admit I’m sincerely not understanding the moderation still. Is it really not enough to say something true? That saying something true which has been true for 10 years warrants moderation? That’s surprising, and doesn’t correspond to anything I’m aware of in the posting guidelines.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Me: As a part of Google, do you have my personal info? Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I u…

Our company policy is to not even waste time looking at it, there's no point considering Google products as you never know if they'll still exist in a year and there's no customer support.

> no customer support. Right answer.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Reflexive "Google will just shut it down" reactions were already a cliché 10 years ago. It's been tedious for a long time, and therefore is not driven by curiosity, and curiosity is what we're optimizing for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... Google really does shut things down—I know! But for a good HN comment, it's not enough to say something true—one should say something true that has…

I have no idea about you being recorded, but I have to admit I’m sincerely not understanding the moderation still. Is it really not enough to say something true? That saying something true which has been true for 10 years warrants moderation? That’s surprising, and doesn’t correspond to anything I’m aware of in the posting guidelines.

Larger point of this is that these cliches do not contribute to healthier discussions but result in more of the same circlejerk, and hence they end up contaminating the whole thread with low quality drivel, drowning actual good quality comments and increasing the workload of moderators to no end.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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You are mixing up grammatical skills with logical thinking skills. Turns out, poetry, rythme, rap, are all low level skills, which the AI easily conquer. To master them, you only need to master language, but not world knowledge. Turns out, writing novels is the hardest thing for LLMs. GPT-4 still absolutely sucks at writing interesting stories. Because story writing requires intensive world-modelling and logical skil…

Political debates are a lot closer to rap battles, than to a math conference. That's because the listeners hatdly know any logic at all. I'm sure GPT can write novels. Just ask it to outline the list of chapters with brief summaries, then ask it to expand each chapter.

It can write novels... Like a middle schooler can.

It has excellent style and tone, but its incapable of creating the most important elements. Motivation, suspense, surprise. The things that actually drive people to read an novel. Therefore its novels read like parodies, like its literally trying to be the most cliched story imaginable.

To do so, the AI needs to actually understand character motivations. It also needs a hidden world-state that it simulates, which is different from surface text it outputs.

A novel writing AI is probably an AGI. I've tried writing stories since GPT-2, but there hasn't been much of an advancement in this area. Unlike the explosive improvements in other capabilities.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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I know it isn't strictly what they are designed for, but I always go for movie questions which is what I tend to search for a lot. Impressions: was very underwhelmed previously with charGPTs ability to tell be plot summaries for obscure films. It almost always made it up, even when prompted with a source (e.g. Wikipedia). Asking vague questions like "I can't remember but I'm looking for a film like war games but with…

Had exactly the same experiences.

Was asking it to debate the moral ethics of a certain Lovecraftian romance Japanese visual novel. And not only could GPT-4 beautifully answer it, it could also remember precise events of who did what do whom in that story.

ChatGPT only remembers the plot summary so to speak, but didn't actually remember the plot details. GPT-4 seems to be large enough to reproduce the story beats with 80-90% accuracy.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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I know it isn't strictly what they are designed for, but I always go for movie questions which is what I tend to search for a lot. Impressions: was very underwhelmed previously with charGPTs ability to tell be plot summaries for obscure films. It almost always made it up, even when prompted with a source (e.g. Wikipedia). Asking vague questions like "I can't remember but I'm looking for a film like war games but with…

Bing chat is what you want for this use case. Because it can “google” it’s the best of both worlds.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Mic drop. Absolutely smoked Bard.

Are we not going to give Bard a chance to respond?

If this were an in-person rap battle, I don't think there'd be room for a second round. Bard flubbed the initial round so bad and GPT-4 roasted them so thoroughly that there would be no recovering.
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