Too many comments to reply to but the Scientific Racism in the comments here are astounding.
Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
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Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#592It's interesting to compare this article with MIT's explanation of why they reinstated the ACT / SAT requirement [1]:
> At the same time, standardized tests also help us identify academically prepared, socioeconomically disadvantaged students who could not otherwise demonstrate readiness . This may seem like a counterintuitive claim to some, given the widespread understanding that performance on the SAT/ACT is correlated with socioeconomic status. Research indeed shows some correlation, but unfortunately, research also shows correlations hold for just about every other factor admissions officers can consider, including essays, grades, access to advanced coursework (as well as opportunities to actually take notionally available coursework), and letters of recommendations, among others. Meanwhile, research has shown widespread testing can identify subaltern students who would be missed by these other measures.
[1]: https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our...
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#593> Elite colleges are eliminating standardized tests before they eliminate legacy admissions. Tells you all you need to know.
Ah, well, case closed! Saved me from reading the entire article :)
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you lose donations, then costs go up for everyone else. Aren't costs going up for everyone else anyway? Hot take: instead of hoping that rich alumni would donate to universities, the nation could tax these folks properly instead, and use that money make public education free/cheap. There are quite a few countries in the world doing this, not all of them rich.
That would help public universities, but many universities are private
In many countries with a single-payer health system all or some of the hospitals providing care are private. One could imagine a similar single-payer education system where some of institutions providing education are private too.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#595Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is a simple and effective way of achieving the goals they claim to be championing. And what are the real goals of these institutions? The whole approach of having artificially limited education where people are sifted into higher and lower status classes based upon judgements made when they're teenagers is premised on elitism, not equity. That's the purpose of these institutions - not to education as many peop…
That public funds can go to private schools like Harvard is such a joke.
A lot of federal regulation of schools is only present thanks to funding. That means that by giving the school federal funding, the federal government receives some level of control.
It's an important point to keep in mind I think.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe you can check any race and they will never question it. You could state you identify as Black and so long as the name and application looks 'black', they'll never know. You'll start your first day at university and what will they do, ask you to take a genetic test?
As a thought experiment couldn't you just say your from South Africa. Thus being "African American". For the record I hate affirmative action, but I also hate the notion of having some elite 10 schools everyone strives to get into. You can do just fine going to a state school, and you'll probably have a much more relaxed experienced. You can also do what I did and hit 100k no degree at all. With all this talk of stud…
Friend who’s a white South African did exactly this. Ended up getting a full ride. First day let’s just say OMED didn’t know how to handle it and just brushed it off.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#597Earlier quoted context omitted.
So your idea of societal progress is one that believes all history is worth looking down on, that there's nothing in the past worth celebrating because every figure acted distasteful or had views distasteful to modern eyes? I guess all of human civilization has just been a giant failure. The only chance we have is for us poor wretches to retroactively flagellate our ancestors and beg forgiveness from the gods of mode…
I read Cato, but I have never respected him. I admire Churchill for his contribution to victory in WWII and his excellent playing of a weak hand, but he was a hideous human being for a lot to answer for. I have nothing but contempt for Jefferson Davis. Yes, I even consider the Nazis terrible people no matter how widespread antisemitism was at the time and no matter how much public support they had. I have that view s…
There is a great deal wrong with making moral judgments about people. People are complicated and you don’t have the full information to make an unbiased judgement.
The real issue here is it’s hard to revise such emotionally charged views in light of new information. Condemn people for murder and it will be harder for you to notice the innocent person on death row.
Worse, many people will try and influence your opinion via misinformation. Condemnation short circuits peoples ability for rational though and that’s exactly how normal people end up committing atrocities.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#598Isn't this patently obvious that dropping the SAT is entirely about creating pretext for continued discrimination against Asian applicants? In 1996, California repealed affirmative action via Prop 209. At the UC Berkeley and UCLA, considered the 'best' of the UC system, Asians represented 25-30% of the student base. Studies and fear-mongering at the time showed that a repeal of affirmative action would imply that Asi…
In 2021 or so, the UC Berkeley chancellor sent out an email to students and alumni (that's me) cheering an increase to racial diversity in the incoming class following them dropping the SAT requirement. The timing of that change was uncannily close to the failing of Prop 16 in 2020, which would have repealed prop 209 of 1996 and was publicly endorsed by the UC administration.
Back to the email, it showed before and after charts. Asian percentage dropped sharply, and all other percentages rose.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#599Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which of these basic hypotheses supports reparations? I'm pretty sure there needs to be a 3) blacks are poorer as well.
The logic of reparations does not require poverty on the part of the victim. It requires acknowledgement of an injustice, and a requirement that the perpetrator has to make good on it. In the case of blacks we have forcible capture, slavery, a variety of discriminatory laws and policies, lynchings, and so on. There is no shortage of historical wrongs done to blacks that were never meaningfully made up for. So far, so…
Things that your forefathers suffered, may be 6 to 10 generations before you. Can you name one thing which directly or indirectly affects you today because of their sufferings?
Slavery was that long ago.
White's were sold as slaves in North Africa before black slaves where brought to America. Even white women were sold as sex slaves and they used to call them "White Gold". ( You can search for term "White Gold Slavery")
Do whites also get reparations?
Additionally nobody talks about modern day slavery, which are sex slaves. There are millions of women stuck in that trade who were forced in to it against their will and they cannot leave.
Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief
#600Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a thought experiment couldn't you just say your from South Africa. Thus being "African American". For the record I hate affirmative action, but I also hate the notion of having some elite 10 schools everyone strives to get into. You can do just fine going to a state school, and you'll probably have a much more relaxed experienced. You can also do what I did and hit 100k no degree at all. With all this talk of stud…
Friend who’s a white South African did exactly this. Ended up getting a full ride. First day let’s just say OMED didn’t know how to handle it and just brushed it off.
I even suggested this to some folks I met while traveling. Awesome it worked out for your friend!