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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by bavila »

adamrezich wrote: post #585
dang wrote: post #276

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

when did "vaporware" change meaning from "something that has been talked about repeatedly, for a long time, but never ended up releasing" to simply "something that is not out right now"? I've seen this word misused similarly a lot recently.

The meaning of "vaporware" has evolved over time. It originally referred to software or hardware products that were announced or promised to be released, but never actually materialized or were significantly delayed. However, as technology and the pace of innovation have accelerated, the definition of vaporware has broadened to encompass any product or service that is promised or rumored, but has not yet been released. As a result, the word is now sometimes used more broadly to refer to things that are not currently available, even if they are in development and likely to be released in the future.

-- Courtesy of ChatGPT

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by codeulike »

Here's a good video of it: https://twitter.com/karenxcheng/status/1623055316350029825

They ask "Will the IKEA Klippan loveseat fit into my 2019 Honda Odyssey if I fold down the seats?"

You can see the Bing says it searching for the seat dimensions, then that its searching for the cargo dimentions of the Odyssey, then it integrates what it found out into a reply.

So they've trained this thing to work out which bits it needs to go fetch from the internet.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by braingenious »

dougmwne wrote: post #361
braingenious wrote: post #183

I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff? It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

It’s not a fumble, more like a fundamental limit of the public corporation. Google has an established cash flow that relies on search and people clicking through to websites full of more ads. Once Google perfected that revenue model, they were pretty much locked in. They could explore new revenue streams in new areas like cars or speakers, but investors would howl for blood if they tried to reinvent the search experi…

I don’t really understand this line of reasoning.

>In the Bing demo, they asked for the best gaming TV and boom, there was the gaming TV I just bought after doing the research myself the long way. No clicks, no revenue.

In this example “no clicks, no revenue” applies more to Google than it does Bing. Bing maybe didn’t make any money off that particular search but they did demonstrate that they have a better product, increasing the chances that someone will use Bing instead of Google.

Bing didn’t get the click revenue, but Google didn’t even get the search in the first place.

The way forward for Google is to… continue to maximize dollars per click? The exact same behavior that’s made their search laughably bad for many people?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by NoPicklez »

godshatter wrote: post #574

I guess I'm old-fashioned. I'd prefer a search engine interface with all the bells and whistles for doing complex queries instead of relying on the search engine to guess what it is I really want to see. I would trust a technical interface with lots of options and boolean logic not to give me whatever the company behind it wants me to see instead of what's really out there.

Didn't think I'd see the day where using a search engine would be considered old-fashioned.

You will still likely have this option, but you are a minority. The search engines response will over ever be as good as the descriptions/keywords you put into the search query.

You'll find this should accelerate getting you the answer you're looking for.

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Post by loldk »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by osterbit2 »

threeseed wrote: post #590
jbenjoseph wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

Nobody is going to use a chat-bot if it is (a) constantly trying to sell you something or (b) going to give you biased results that are influenced by advertising spend. So OP is right that this model is going to be financially harmful to Google.

> Nobody is going to use a chat-bot if it is (a) constantly trying to sell you something or (b) going to give you biased results that are influenced by advertising spend

I guess this is something that Google/search engines and other media like podcasts have had to navigate.

While it's not obvious how to best do it in this interface, I dunno, you still have a whole browser window to work with and the search engine solution (show the ads separately and labeled at the top) and the podcast solution (read the ads separately and clearly labeled) weren't super imaginative and seem to be working okay. Gmail ads on the right margin is maybe another example to point to.

I imagine there are probably plenty of UI things to experiment with that don't involve masking the advertisement as expert advice.

But yeah while this is all being sorted out I imagine it shrinks the monetizable surface of search a good bit.

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