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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by btown »

brookst wrote: post #521
jimmaswell wrote: post #450

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> say the exact words that the AI said, not with the intention to provoke thought but with the intention to normalize hate The "but nobody is laughing" part would run counter to this. The premise of the whole joke is that the referenced jokes aren't funny.

Yeah, but it’s that weird “I was only kidding, can’t you take a joke” space. Like everyone agrees that shouting racial slurs is bad behavior, but does the characterization change if you then say “see, nobody approved”?

And it's not far from the "can't you take a joke" space to the "I'm making fun of how woke the audience has become" space. And heaven knows there's plenty of training data on the web to train an AI to mimic and normalize the latter!

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by odessacubbage »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

>Would it have been OK

twitch is a platform where you can stream yourself preforming grotesque acts of murder in the most violent videogames. i could foreseeably mod transgender prostitutes into gta or use the names of notable trans activists in rogue survivor and then go target them in a killing spree. trying to draw arbitrary demarcations around permissible culture & expression rarely if ever has the desired effect. calls for empathy, just like those for a return to faith/patriotism/civility/etc can never be sincere if they are enforced by top-down dogma, more than anything else, they breed resentment towards the sacred cow. there are a lot of pressing issues for improving the lives of trans people, primarily issues of law and healthcare policy; banning 41% and ywnbaw jokes is nothing but a distraction. on a personal level i find the mentality of 'be nice to trannies or they'll rope' far more insulting than any memepost.

>Joking about people currently experiencing trauma isn't funny.

humor is how we overcome trauma, once you can laugh about something it doesn't hurt anymore. if you ban laughter to try and protect someone all you're really telling them is 'nope you're fucked up forever'

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by genewitch »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #307
alexb_ wrote: post #12

What is this going to accomplish? Is the robot going to learn from its mistakes? Or is this supposed to be against the programmers for "failing to put in safeguards" or something like that? It's kind of silly - it's not that the robot was bad but that if you keep it on 24/7 it will eventually say something bad. An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

Seems like it could be interesting if the robot could learn from its mistakes, specifically that it would probably learn to be subversive (how to tell jokes that bypass the censors' policies but still communicate the wrongthink) rather than learning to toe the party line.

last year "unalive" was used to bypass tiktok censorship, right now there are a ton of videos about "mascara" which is - and i already don't like this word - algospeak to talk about sexual experiences, apparently good or bad. Usually bad, though.

I imagine a sufficiently advanced AI or even human could create a convoluted word or phrase and breadcrumb enough to walk it back to whatever would have been censored, a la "for want of a nail" style.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mftrhu »

harvey9 wrote: post #419
crote wrote: post #355

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The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

Here's a paper which suggests that the medical part might not be solved https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... "Conclusions Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffic…

No. Here's a paper which is frequently misquoted by people failing to read its open-access text in its entirety, and relying on third-parties often creative interpretations of it. It has been discussed by its author - Cecilia Dhejne - multiple times over the last decade, notably during her Reddit AMA https://thewinnower.com/papers/7252-science-ama-series-i-m-c...

> Thank you for your question and I am happy I was invited to AMA.

> I am aware of some of the misinterpretation of the study in Plos One. Some are as you say difficult to keep track since they are not published in scientific journals. I am grateful to friends all over the world who notify me of publications outside the scientific world. I do answer some of them but I can’t answer all.

> I have no good recommendation what to do. I have said many times that the study is not design to evaluate the outcome of medical transition. It DOES NOT say that medical transition causes people to commit suicide. However it does say that people who have transition are more vulnerable and that we need to improve care. I am happy about that it has also been seen that way and in those cases help to secure more resources to transgender health care.

> On a personal level I can get both angry and sad of the misinterpretations and also sometimes astonished that some researcher don’t seem to understand some basics about research methology.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by odessacubbage »

flangola7 wrote: post #502
saynay wrote: post #275

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Such as Twitch's opinion that this joke was a violation of their TOS, and thus deserving of a temp ban? That opinion seems to be making a lot of people here pretty uncomfortable.

A common defining attribute of harmful people like bigots is an inability to self reflect. It's akin to a thief being mad a court ordered them to turn money over to the victim. "When I take money it's wrong, but when they take it from me it's ok. People need to be comfortable with money transfers [opinions] they don't like." Which no, we don't. We will continue to take efforts to prevent and mitigate a harmful person…

>We will continue to take efforts to prevent and mitigate a harmful person's ability to cause harm.

the channel in question is literally a bot that strings together semi-coherent sentences from chat gpt with little to no object permanence. there is no person or harmful intent to mitigate here, it is just a bunch of words in a blender.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by adamrezich »

ekleraki wrote: post #586
adamrezich wrote: post #575

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far be it from me to question your Gospel and its preferred terms. by all means feel free to continue to keep using the word as you have been—not only do I lack authority to prescribe which terms you can and cannot use, but also as I said above, the mere use of the term provides a convenient heuristic for many to simply avoid engaging or associating with that person, lest they bring topics such as Donald Trump, Nazis…

I am asking you, as a trans person fearing for their life, how i should call the people i am terrified of, the people who seem to hate me for my mere existence without ever interacting with me, who have already decided that i am going to hell and seem to want to help me go there sooner. I do have friends with different political beliefs. They don’t know about my “status”, they have expressed horrific comments about L…

why would I reply in earnest when you've already insulted me and the entire sort of state I live in? how can you go from that, and bringing up all these different tenuously-connected names and issues, to genuinely asking what I think you should do given the situation you find yourself in, knowing full well that you'll take offense to basically anything I have to say, for one reason or another? what could I possibly say that would satisfy you? and even if there was something I could say—again, impossible, as you're basically fishing for me to say something for you to take issue with and get emotionally worked up about—why would I want to? this has not been a pleasant exchange, and I'm alright with it being over now.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mftrhu »

somsak2 wrote: post #404
crote wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

The treatments I'm familiar with, especially those that are assisted by prescription drugs, are quite new and unsupported. it's hard to find any studies of this stuff at all. the amount we know about efficacy here is shockingly low. if you have references, I'd welcome them.

> The treatments I'm familiar with, especially those that are assisted by prescription drugs, are quite new and unsupported

The treatments you are familiar with have been around since the thirties. Research on them started with the Institut fur Sexualwillenschaft, which has been since burned down, and hundreds of papers have been published on the topic since, dealing with thousands of patients all over the world, with their findings all being remarkably consistent.

How hard have you actually looked into it?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by braingenious »

xcxs wrote: post #545
crote wrote: post #520

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24344788/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-009-9551-1 https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/hormona... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0453-5 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23553588_Long-term_... http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.…

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Hi buddy, as a trans issues expert, can you highlight some of your published works?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mftrhu »

xcxs wrote: post #545
crote wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24344788/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-009-9551-1 https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/hormona... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0453-5 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23553588_Long-term_... http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.…

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Or it could be much lower, as Pfafflin, 1998, the 2015 USTS, Wiepjes, 2018, and Danker, 2019 all seemed to find.
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