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Re: Atom was archived today

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I'd credit Sublime Text with that.

I second that, Sublime raised the bar and set the new standard, the only advantage VScode now has over sublime is it's open source license.

VS Code is not really open source.

https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/4288/is-micro...

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_why-does-...

Re: Atom was archived today

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It is a generic interface which also helps with many capabilities, including proper refactoring, formatting, and the like. Since VSCode does so much through it, basically all nontrivial interaction with the code base can also be used in other editors. A far cry from the days of sublime text’s regex-based autocomplete

Except it only works for trivial languages.

Is rust and C++ trivial languages?

Re: Atom was archived today

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People hate on electron, but it's a pretty amazing piece of tech if you ask me. I can turn a browser game into a steam game with basically no effort which is nice because browsers change over time and electron helps you get a working offline snapshot of something you created.

Microsoft and Mozilla did it first, nothing great about Electron, other than shipping Chrome even into more computers.

I believe the Komodo IDE was written on top of xulrunner, which used the internals of Mozilla/Firefox.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Sad to see this go. I was an early adopter of Atom, and I wrote two extensions for it, one of which while it was still in beta. The Atom developers made some technology choices that in retrospect were ill-advised, CoffeeScript being the worst of them and splitting everything into dozens of packages a close second. They tried to backpedal on both of these later on, but by that time VSCode, with its far superior engine…

There is a solid alternative, though. Pulsar. Atom was kind of dead, but it still had a small, dedicated fanbase including myself. Hopefully Pulsar will be able to keep the project alive as long as us Atom fans use it

Reference: https://github.com/pulsar-edit/pulsar

Re: Atom was archived today

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I second that, Sublime raised the bar and set the new standard, the only advantage VScode now has over sublime is it's open source license.

VS Code is not really open source. https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/4288/is-micro... https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_why-does-...

Though you can just use Codium or the OSS version if you don't need remote magic.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Microsoft and Mozilla did it first, nothing great about Electron, other than shipping Chrome even into more computers.

I believe the Komodo IDE was written on top of xulrunner, which used the internals of Mozilla/Firefox.

Yes it was.

https://www.activestate.com/blog/activestate-komodo-ide-now-...

Re: Atom was archived today

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VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

VSCode is good but as someone who’s been writing software for nearly 40 years, I really feel you’ve over doing the compliments by a long long way. Compilers, operating systems, browser engines (unfortunately) and reverse engineering proprietary hardware/firmware are all significantly harder challenges than writing an IDE. in fact there have been excellent IDEs around for decades before VSCode came along. Yes the indu…

>I really feel you’ve over doing the compliments by a long long way.

Well, that shows the bar for Web Developers these days are so low, that even VSCode could even be on the list of "one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time."

Web developers are so abstracted away from everything, their understanding of computing and software is really hurting the industry. And the sad part is not only are they the majority in software development, they are also the most well paid and vocal.

Re: Atom was archived today

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These seems impression by somebody who's not a VSC user at all. Specifically: > it’s 2022, why not favor GUI configurations? VSC provides, at all the (four) levels, both GUI and text-based configuration editing. > JSON is ugly You can't get any simpler than JSON. The VSC designers have actually been admirably pragmatic, and opted for JSON5-ish, which supports comments and terminal commas (in arrays). > too powerful t…

If you like JSON that much, obviously you haven't yet seen https://github.com/Enhex/Deco

It's like yaml and json had a baby.... And it scares me

Re: Atom was archived today

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Atom predated the LSP and leaned heavily into customizations with all the plugins running inside the UI thread (more like a traditional web page and 3p scripts). At the time they viewed the extreme customization support as a feature, and there was a thriving ecosystem of folks making plugins. That architecture has a major flaw though. A default install was fast, but a real configuration with all the plugins ended up…

VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

> VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time.

> VSCode is the greatest productivity tool in the history of software engineering

VSCode just seems like an IDE to me. Here's some things that are either better feats of engineering or better for software productivity:

- moving from line-based editing to screen-based editing

- any mainstream database

- any mainstream browser

- compilers

- linters

- any mainstream OS

- continuous integration

- headphones

- big monitors

- stack overflow

- any graphics driver

- any mainstream 3D platform (Unity, Unreal)

- version control (edit: added, how could I have left it out??)

I'm team Vim so I'm obviously salty, but even so I think you're going a little overboard here haha. I don't even think this about Vim!

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