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One can both be a small indie studio and also have sold multiple millions of copies of their game. Indie simply means you don't have a publisher. And Mojan didn't.
Then Activision-Blizzard is indie. You have to at least put a floor on that thing or you fall completely afoul of the common meaning. My rule of thumb would be less than $1 million spent before the first public release ? (Which I assume makes Minecraft indie ?) Now another question is whether you can even call indie those games being advertised and distributed by Steam (or any other platform) where developers are ove…
I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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You should read it. IMO it transforms Minecraft from being just an ordinary game experience into being art, it makes the context of what you've been doing, in playing Minecraft, into something like folklore. Late at night, having defeated the Ender dragon, having spent months in the game, it turns that moment into an almost spiritual experience.
I thought it is way too much, and not at all in line with the feeling of mc. Cringe is the word the youngsters use AFAIR.
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“and so I said, OK, I’ll take whatever the first thing you offered was.” Edit: I’m rate limited, but Microsoft doesn’t need a transfer. They bought the entire company. Just like you buying some shares on the stock exchange, except they bought all of the shares in a private transaction. Had they done an asset purchase instead, your point might be valid.
Which is an implied contract, yes. Which a court would probably find that Mojang have an implied license to use the poem, yes. But the terms of that license are unknown - a court may well decide that it did not apply to Microsoft since he didn't sign that contract. And it also means that he did not assign copyright to Mojang or Microsoft which removes that avenue of them claiming they can use it for free.
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I read the whole thing. It was somewhat overwritten. Not my favorite ever post-hallucinogen-trip essay. I agree with other commenters that the author is greedy and petty. He accepted €20,000 for his work, a decent amount. Then he decided that he should make way more money because the game was successful. Then he tried to take advantage of the fact that he hadn't signed a contract, even though he had obviously accepte…
I read almost the whole thing but stopped before the End Poem, because I still haven't defeated the Ender Dragon. I admit I'm not really trying, but might still do so at some point.
It's kinda worth it to get access to elytra and shulker boxes but they do tend to make you a bit OP. Then again to make sensible use of elytra you need a gunpowder farm and once you're building farms like that, you're already on the way to domination...
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#595Many of the commenters are so quick to discount the value of the End Poem, but from the replies of the writer's tweet it's pretty clear that many players have read the poem and been positively impacted by it. https://mobile.twitter.com/juliangough/status/16004656735571...
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#596The person who really got screwed in all this is poor Charlie, the agent. Here he is managing deals for Julian getting a percentage of those deals and Julian it sounds like is not making much, so Charlie probably isn't making much off Julian either. Julian goes and basically gives away his most successful work to ruthless Mojang and Charlie gets nothing for it at all because Julian keeps Charlie in the dark. Charlie…
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#597This is not about how many hours he's speculated to have spent on the piece, or his overall contribution to the success of the game. It's clear that Minecraft was already phenomenally successful by the time the end text was written. It's also clear from other comments here that a) Julian was far from the only person who didn't get a 'share of the winnings', and that b) the person responsible for the music in the original version(s) of the game C418, by contrast did (likely due to having much more business savvy).
Two points...
1) None of this is fair. Not how writing is paid for. Not how writing software is valued commercially over writing / scriptwriting / poetry. Not the Minecraft team making vast sums. Certainly not Notch making billions. It's all an absurd outgrowth of the economics of digital surplus, which are now so ubiquitous as to appear invisible. And network effects, which all of us on HN are aware of, but which are also deeply unintuitive. Is Minecraft a great, influential, fun game? Sure. It is so much greater than the other successful and brilliant games of its generation of indie titles - Fez, Super Meat Boy, Braid etc? Frankly no. It's just different. It's different in a specific way thats amenable to economic exploitation indefinitely. It's more like a toy than a game. It came out at a very specific time in the history of videogame culture and technology when something less graphically impressive could be appreciated. Initially by a generation who had come to find an appeal in retro graphics, before it caught fire with the kids. It was released at a time when the community and internet ubiquity existed for such a thing to go viral. Great things are created and ignored all the time. Minecraft hit at exactly the right moment. There are numerous other examples in the gaming space of titles that aren't necessarily so unique (Minecraft is extremely derivative of Infiniminer). A world exists - very close to this one, in which Zachtronics would have a legal right to some or all of its profits, had patent law shaken out even slightly differently.
2) Writing (like music) is non fungible. The story you write in 2013 is not the story you will or could write in 2022. It expresses a part of you, in a profoundly intimate way. Publishing is giving away something of yourself. It's irreducible to sharing an idea or emotion - because it's more than that. All creative writing is literally an expression of the self of the artist. Publishing is also a one strike deal usually. You can't often publish a story that is already public, virtually no short stories (or indeed novels) have a (commercial) value in adaptation. It's starkly different from say music - where you can tour your work, even if Spotify pays effectively nothing. You can't busk writing (well you can, but there's no audience for it beyond a novelty). Most commercial novelists (even ones you've heard of) subsist from teaching workshops and art grants. Most have second and third jobs. Which is all to say that this poem was a valuable part of Julian that he shared with the world. He tries to articulate it by the muse or automatic writing. Writing not equivalent to time spent coding or problem solving. It's an act of love. As is his sharing the final story for free in perpetuity.
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My biggest problem with the post is the massive ego the author seems to have about the impact and importance of their writing. To be frank, the author made little to no meaningful contributions to Minecraft's success. The author is so self-centered they belittle the contributions of other Mojang employees and seem to genuinely believe their contribution is on the same level as people like Jeb and C418. They literally…
Sure, Minecraft would have still sold as much if the ending screen said "You won" or much simply "The end". But, he did still put in the effort in creating the poem. Every part of the game matters, and I think it's fair if he gets paid or at-least gets credit for his contributions to the game. I understand the author being hurt as he's one of the 5 people that contributed to the game, he just needed the credit or any…
I think members of the modding community contributed much more in material terms, and both they and YouTube content creators contributed much more in driving it's rise & popularity, than the author of this poem. It seems the author had a pretty clear verbal contract on their compensation, and received the money.
They author didn't receive the promotional support for their other work that was promised, and I think should be their much bigger gripe. For an artist/creator I would think that would be the big pain point, not having their other work broadly exposed to an audience of millions, instead of the $$$ aspect they spend so much time on in this article. (Especially when that exposure would possibly have lead to significant financial success for their work as well)
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#599I've never wanted to downvote comments on YC more than this thread.
I relate with the story. Many times in my life I put love in my work (passion for the work itself, going the extra mile) and I feel it was not acknowledged. The gap between ones commitment to the cause and a cold reception can be heartbreaking.
… the hard lesson is that in these cases we need to acknowledge that we work from the heart because we want to create meaningful things in our lives. It is for us, in the end. We have to treasure and feel lucky for the times it’s acknowledged and reciprocated, but can’t base our happiness on the expectation of being seen every time.
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Yeah. I was in on early builds of Minecraft. I've never seen the end poem. Had no idea it even existed. The entire post reads like really sour grapes from someone who believes his contribution is way more important than it is. He thinks he deserves a significant higher chunk than what he was paid. He also acts like he has a leg to stand on and is magnanimously deciding not to bring the hammer down. No. He's going to…
It's a weird mix of buddhist "I was and am at peace with this", but with a "I feel like I missed out" mixed in. But he fully admits it's his own fault because he was up in his own world, instead of leaving the business end to his agent. But I don't believe this would stand up in court. There was a verbal agreement before he signed a contract. He was paid for his one-off contribution; I don't know how much work he del…
The same can certainly be said for everyone else involved in this. Notch made off with 1.7 billion dollars for a few years of work - that's a disproportionate reward for the level of effort.
But if the poetry author wanted a disproportionate reward for their level of effort, they should have asked for it. It's business at the end of the day - they didn't write it for art's sake, they wrote it for a contract job. And it's not a particularly great poem that will be featured on poetry.com, IMO