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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Another disappointing result for conservative politics worldwide. While her character may be in question, her policies were on point. I do hope that we're not starting to see a whiplash effect where people are against good, reasoned, conservative policy for the sake of a few bad calls.

Her policies were terrible. Gutting the tax base, subsidizing energy demand in an inflationary environment. Almost all conservative policies are terrible but these ones were so bad that there was a run on the pound. I'm glad you're not running the country i live in

A lot of us want small Government and low taxes.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Another disappointing result for conservative politics worldwide. While her character may be in question, her policies were on point. I do hope that we're not starting to see a whiplash effect where people are against good, reasoned, conservative policy for the sake of a few bad calls.

Her policies were terrible. Gutting the tax base, subsidizing energy demand in an inflationary environment. Almost all conservative policies are terrible but these ones were so bad that there was a run on the pound. I'm glad you're not running the country i live in

> Almost all conservative policies are terrible

This seems hyperbolic and doesn't really fit with the HN guidelines. As most HN commenters lean conservative, I recommend reading the room first.

In addition, every leader on the world stage enact primarily conservative policy because it's effective. While there are some outliers, it's easy to see just from reading the news and listening to independent thinkers what the inevitable outcome will be.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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The serious consequences are that if you do especially badly like Truss did yesterday the voters get pissed and you have to resign.

She resigned because of what she said at Questions?

I think her performance at question shined a light on the incompetence of her administration, destroying her support and causing her to resign, yes.

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Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

It would be a mistake to think those people "dumb", IMO. Worst of the worst, possible/probable, but even the bubbliest of ding-dongs in pop culture did not get to their positions by being "dumb". The narrative is designed for deception to garner their objective: sales, votes, distraction, etc...

There is more than 50% chance that Herschel Walker is going to win. He is definitely not bright.

There are many such examples.

Then there are Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley type politicians who are definitely smart, but say/do insane stuff because it serves their needs.

Then there is Mitch. Very smart but very scary, in a league of his own.

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There's no 'intended message' to be found there, just some isolated incidents of dumb police officers arresting people for silly reasons (as acknowledged by their subsequent 'de-arrest').

Police arresting political dissidents in the name of an ostensibly powerless monarch is just one of those quirky things that happens in real democracies. Nothing to be concerned about.

Police can arrest people at their discretion. If these people were actually being prosecuted, I'd see your point. Otherwise, yes, it was wrong to arrest them, but you can find people being arrested for stupid reasons in any country. It doesn't require any kind of establishment conspiracy for that to happen. If you are raising a legitimate issue here, it's the broad powers of arrest that police have, not anything to do with Britain being a monarchy rather than a republic.

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There are all sorts of processes to say to her that this was a bad idea. She ignored them. It's a very Chernobyl kind of process: in order to run your experiment, first ignore all the safety alarms. And, of course, very Brexit.

Why did the relevant Ministers, such as the lord Chancellor, Chancellor of the Exchequer, etc., sign off on it too?

I understood that rather than appointing the most capable persons, she had appointed the ones most loyal to her

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The problem with many of those unions was just that they depended on industry that no rational country could have continued to run forever. Like are you seriously going to just continue to mine coal forever, in mines that have been active for 100s of years and were just losing money. The leader of the coal miners union didn't even fight for coal minor wages, he was talking actually revolution. Some privatizations wer…

Coal miners seem to have a sense of entitlement everywhere. Coal was mostly crushed in the 1980s by the low capital cost of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle_power_plant and the low cost of gas of Natural gas in the US and UK, the latter because of the discovery of petroleum in the North Sea. The same economic steamroller pushed "pause" on nuclear energy. Today we see coal miners in the US who are empowere…

It wasn't all coal mining.

We lost over 2 million manufacturing jobs at the beginning of the 80s.

The hate of Thatcher, imo, was less about "the country" and more directly about the impact on people's communities and direct personal relationships.

But looking back, Thatcher tactics were at times borderline fascist.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/03/miners...

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And yet Americans still mog, and I mean badly mog, British at actual competitive debate. This is true both in their inferior form of "British Parliamentery debate" as well as the various American styles, such as Lincoln Douglas, Policy, or Public Forum.

Definitely. I mean check out some of the recent winners of the US National Debate Championships. https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8?t=34

So, this was clearly racist misinterpretation from the context, but I still didn't understand enough to know exactly why it was racist misinterpretation and was curious.

For anyone else curious, this is maybe a good read:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/how-to-speak-gibberi...

It starts with the knee-jerk conservative anti-woke reaction, which peaks here:

> A reader in the comments suggests that these students should listen to MLK’s oratory and take a lesson. Absolutely. King was a master of rhetoric. That is the way to change minds. The teachers who are instructing these kids in this sort of thing are guilty of intellectual abuse, as are the CEDA officials who reward it.

But the updates after that, explain what is really going on:

> Rod, this post needs a serious correction. While that debate was ridiculous, it is entirely typical of what college “cross examination” debating has been for decades. The trend has been for (mostly white) debaters to talk about nuclear war in a debate about education policy, the environment in a debate about military policy, post structuralism pretty much whenever they feel like it, etc. etc. It’s a ridiculous form of debate but it isn’t some weird black thing. The reason these black students are debating like this is that they are competing, in a league with teams from schools like Harvard and Yale, that rewards this style of debate.

And the author is slightly magnanimous in his apology:

> UPDATE.3: To be perfectly clear, I concede that I was wrong to say that this team broke the rules of debate by refusing to address the topic, instead choosing to rant about racism, and to say that the woman who looked as if she were having a psychotic break (which she does, to the untrained eye) was doing anything wrong. I learned from readers that the Towson team’s bizarre display is actually well within the rules and the custom of competitive debate. So, congratulations to them, I guess. I learned something new today: Competitive debate is a completely insane phenomenon.

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Technically yes, but if they can’t form a government the King can and will call an election. I think there is a very high chance they will be unable to agree on a new leader and will therefor be unable to form a government. Even if they do elect a new leader, if that leader can barely control the party that would not a functioning government, and they should call an election. At some point Tory MPs need to grow some,…

The UK is not the continent where the monarch decides who will be sent to shepard the negotiations over the government.

By "the continent" I assume you are speaking about the rest of europe, and in that case I don't think you can say anything coherent about their systems.

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There are all sorts of processes to say to her that this was a bad idea. She ignored them. It's a very Chernobyl kind of process: in order to run your experiment, first ignore all the safety alarms. And, of course, very Brexit.

Why did the relevant Ministers, such as the lord Chancellor, Chancellor of the Exchequer, etc., sign off on it too?

It's a clique. A group of people with the same ideas.

"This is financially a bad idea" has been ignored since Brexit, and it bit hard.

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