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Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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A political issue with this is that Northern Norway has been exempt from the 25% VAT as one of many measures to make living in Northern Norway more attractive. Until now the cost of power in both north and south has been pretty much the same, meaning people in power zone NO4 have paid about the same price for power, but not the VAT. But now that the price has gone up by such an enormous amount in the south, connectin…

This is a great post. This part: > and this part: > Ouch! Is this not enough to push for interconnect? Or will the electricity price increases prevent such a change? Alternatively, why hasn't more heavy industry been built in NO4 zone? Or is it not possible due to winter weather? I also heard that in Norway, a high percentage of electricty is generated from gravity (water dams). That would make aluminium production i…

Hey, apologies for not seeing your reply before now.

I agree the selling of power to ourselves via Sweden seems weird, but I suppose it's better to do just that instead of having to drain the dam without producing electricity at all, and it's a solution which works at this moment instead of waiting for an interconnect to be built. I would hazard a guess that it does slightly reduce the cost of power in other regions whenever we do sell to Sweden from NO4, but I have no data. I haven't really heard much about this exact issue being discussed though, so I don't have much information regarding that. But the issue with prices jumping to European levels would be relevant here too.

There is a lot of heavy industry in the north, such as petroleum, mining, refining and others. Norway does have a large aluminium industry which does rely more or less exclusively on hydro power, and seems to be in the top ten of aluminium producing countries, just above Iceland.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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It was Russia who started war in 2014, and - now officially nazi - escalated in February. None of your links claim or suggest otherwise. What they describe is just politics - and does not on any way give Russia the right to invade.

What is the right to invade for you? Something like pretending there are hidden mass disruption weapons you know are not there but you want to invade because the about-to-be-invaded country decide to sell oil in € instead of dollars? Or pretending that a country you want to control hide someone you look for? Or pretending there is a repressive government while you just pursue United Fruits co private interest?

All of the situations you've mentioned were crimes against humanity. One day Americans will realise that. But those wars are over, while the Rashist invasion is taking place as we speak. Also, look at the scale: Russians killed over hundred thousand civilians in Mariupol alone.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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To a house that is not heated by direct electricity (nor by gas), or to one where you have installed some other source of heating such as heat pumps or district heating.

What do you think the heat pump and district heating runs on? Heat pumps still need electricity and district heating is often using gas.

Helsinki's utility company today announced its district heating prices for the winter: +30% increase compared to last winter. This is in contrast to market prices +400% for electricity and +300% for gas. https://www.helen.fi/en/news/2022/significant-increase-in-co...

Last year, already 20% of the district heat by the utility was from renewables, and in 2030 it should be all carbon neutral. https://www.helen.fi/en/news/2022/helen-and-elisa-to-heat-ho...

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The sun is always shining somewhere. We need more interconnects.

Quick analysis of transmission losses may discourage this to an extent.

Only if you are unaware that long HVDC interconnects already exist and have known, and low, losses,

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> new Soviet Union Any reason to think this? Did Soviet Union form by Russia invading and conquering another country? No, it was a result of fall of the Russian empire and the Russian civil war. The conditions now are very different. Fall of Ukraine would mean political win for Putin and his acolytes, maybe another invasion later on. But Soviet Union? More like stronger Russia, a revert to the Russian Empire.

Watch Russian state media. Literally stuff they say...

That's possible, but I think they just use the rhetoric to activate old people nostalgia and bring more support for the regime. Soviet union respawning does not seem likely, nobody except Russia wants that.

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Your comment is flame. You really don't believe that competence is the only reason solar/wind didn't scale up right? If you remember, those countries were/are almost bunkrupt, since 2010 or so. Where would these massive investments come from? I mean the north didn't even want to move away from Russia, certainly they wouldn't care for funding solar in Greece, Spain or Italy. The "Green new deal" however is a step in t…

I agree with the sentiment of this post. The finance required for green energy production is often over looked. After all, India has huge deserts in the north west of their country. Yes, they have some of the largest solar parks in the world, but why isn't 25% of it covered with solar panels? Financing. You wrote: > Can you explain this more? (Zero trolling.) I don't understand what you mean.

A bit late but hope you see it.

I mean that what we call the "competent part of Europe" is only competent in a myopic level. When it comes to their own local economy as if it is operating in vacuum. I argue that most of the foreign policy decisions of these members where made with short-term view of their own country economy, completely F'ing up their long term prospects by ignoring the potential and the dynamics of the periphery.

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