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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by gre »

jaywalk wrote: post #538
gre wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't download them anymore.

Once you download an MP3, you should protect it as you'd protect anything else you purchased instead of expecting that it would be available to re-download indefinitely.

Oh, my bad, it was from iTunes from ten years ago, not Amazon. I found the support email. (I still have the mp3s)

""" Thank you for contacting iTunes Store Support!

My name is Dianne, and I'm sorry to hear that you have been unable to redownload the album "Rachmaninov: Complete Piano Concertos", on your new computer. I can certainly understand how this could be disappointing for you, please be assured that I'm happy to help.

Unfortunately, this item is no longer in the iTunes Store, and only items that are currently available can be redownloaded.

If the content provider no longer offers these purchases on the iTunes Store, App Store, or iBookstore, your content will not be available for you to download again.

However, if you still have this album on the original computer, you can certainly transfer it to you new computer. You can do this in several ways. See the following article for how to transfer iTunes Store purchases using Home Sharing, an external drive, an iOS device (iPhone, iPad, or iPod), the Windows Migration Assistant, and CDs/DVDs: """

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by kernal »

The Stadia Twitter account is having fun with this:

>Just a heads up

>Old coworker of mine is now one of the social managers for Google. They had a pretty large seminar in California this past weekend, and long story short you now can play Wavetale at no additional cost on Stadia Pro until August 1: https://goo.gle/3zk8wjY

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by endisneigh »

jjulius wrote: post #550
endisneigh wrote: post #455

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Me not having evidence doesn’t mean it’s not true. Indeed my statement is equally dubious as the Twitter one. However you’ll see that I’m correct by just coming back to this thread in October. Proving a negative is generally difficult to begin with.

Then I'm really not sure what your intent is here. After all, you said it yourself... >Believing baseless conjecture is dumb imo. So, it's dumb to believe baseless conjecture, but we should believe your baseless conjecture that someone else's baseless conjecture is wrong.

You don’t have to believe anything. Just wait and see

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by effingwewt »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #540
effingwewt wrote: post #506

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This right here is why I couldn't give less of a shit about google's C++ replacement. All they do is build hype and cancel without any trace even when things are successful. I'm convinced they only kept search and gmail for ads and tracking.

> This right here is why I couldn't give less of a shit about google's C++ replacement. I think programming languages are a bit different. (Assuming they're not encumbered by patents / trademarks / copyright the way Java was/is.) If Google decides to bail on Carbon, any design work, published implementations, etc. remain accessible for others to use or build upon. If Google were to abandon Carbon, the main risk I see…

All good points, I've just been burnt too many times. Same reason I never pre order or beta a game, etc.

Google has gone beyond destroying my goodwill to the point I actively despise them. I loved chrome at first. Same with gmail, google voice, youtube shit even google maps. All started good all now garbage. Same with Facebook and Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, Apple, Uber, Doordash.

Burn me once shame on me...

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by kernal »

ineedasername wrote: post #480
lenova wrote: post #289

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Goolge Stadia twitter account is saying the rumour is false: https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656

Google's denial takes nothing away from the credibility of this rumor. Google isn't going to deviate from their own preplanned PR campaign on any product's demise just because a rumor leaked. That doesn't mean this rumor is true, only that the denial has no informational content for evaluating the rumor. Yet on the other hand, if Google really wanted to refute the rumor , they'd say "It's not true, we have a firm roa…

>Google's denial takes nothing away from the credibility of this rumor.

Let this comment sink in for a while. An official comment from Stadia "takes nothing away" from an anonymous source with no track record or credibility whatsoever.

>Yet on the other hand, if Google really wanted to refute the rumor

They did something worse - they mocked it and exposed it for the ridiculous rumour it was.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by dakial1 »

csmpltn wrote: post #589

The bottleneck with Cloud Gaming is physical hardware (GPUs). You need both a dedicated GPU to run the actual game, but also a fast CPU (or expensive FPGAs) to stream the video to your thin clients. GPUs are expensive, power hungry, heat up quickly, take up space, and can't be shared across multiple players. As a Cloud Gaming provider, you need to invest heavy capital into distributed hardware across the globe, befor…

> As a Cloud Gaming provider, you need to invest heavy capital into distributed hardware across the globe, before you make your first cent. This makes this business non-viable for all but a small handful of players in this space.

Wouldn't that make the perfect case for a Cloud Provider, like Google, to do it? If it is not using the machine for gaming it can use it for it's own cloud capacity/elasticity.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by InefficientRed »

omega3 wrote: post #371
lenova wrote: post #300

I'd like to be a counterpoint for the Stadia bashing here: I'm not much of a gamer, but I've always been interested in playing Red Dead Redemption 2. However, I neither had a console nor a PC with a decent enough graphics card. This spring, I picked up a Google TV with Chromecast, and realized I could pair any bluetooth device with it. I bought a cheapo PS4-like controller off of Amazon, saw that RDR2 was on sale on…

I've tried to find a flaw with this argument and admittedly it's pretty hard. As long as you accept to pay a above the market price for the game and you don't care about retaining ownership then it somehow makes sense. I'm guessing this value proposition is what made it unsustainable for Google.

The need for GPUs during an unprecedented spike in demand for chip fab capacity couldn't have helped.

I think the basic model will eventually work out, though. The bandwidth is there. The compute has to be cheap enough that the biz model works by just taking the retailer's cut of the title sale + maybe a tad more. The tad more can come from one-time hardware sales and maybe better negotiated cuts of the sale from the studios. I would never ever have purchased a copy of any AAA title without Stadia and similar services. I think the same is true for almost all Stadia purchases.

But Google's failure here makes sense. It's a low margin game. google sucks at low margin games.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

gambiting wrote: post #572
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #368

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I'm not even thinking about legality. My issue with "just download a crack" is that I have to spend time hunting down the crack, and I can't be sure the crack won't include malware, or won't introduce bugs which only appear later in the game. The last of these has happened to me on multiple occasions. A cracked game is no longer the product I bought. By contrast, when I buy a game on GOG, I get a product that is DRM…

You are correct of course. My point is that if Steam would disappear, a technological solution would appear to play your games. Just like even once every single PS1 on the planet turns into dust, we can still play PS1 games by other means. With stadia, this will never happen because you can't get a copy of a Stadia game I'm the first place.

I just question how much that matters in practice. In both cases, you can theoretically replace the game you bought with a pirated copy.

All PS1 games have been archived, yes, because the method of ripping a PS1 game is consistent across every title, and the total number of games released was relatively small. That's not the case with PC games today, and I think it's virtually inevitable that a lot of indie games released exclusively on Steam will eventually be lost to time. As will many of the indie games released without DRM on itch.io—but at least any game you downloaded from itch.io will be playable forever.

You can argue cloud gaming is even worse. Maybe so, but at least it provides a lot of extra utility, since you can play on low-end devices. Steam provides automatic updates, that's kind of nice I guess, but not in the same class as running Assassin's Creed on your phone†. (Even then, I personally wouldn't pay full price for a game I can only run on someone else's servers, but I understand why someone else might.)

I don't like Steam.

† In theory. I've always found cloud gaming has too much latency for me. But in theory, if it worked perfectly—which perhaps it never will—the promise is nuts.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by speby »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #20

I absolutely hope not. Stadia has provided an excellent game night for me and my remote friend (who is on a Mac) this year and we've had a blast, we mostly play little party games as nither of us our big gamers, but it makes for an excellent night,i've bought a couple of games on it that i've yet to even get too and plan to buy some more and enjoy the odd hour or two in the evenings. Stadia removes all fraction and m…

I mostly agree. I'm a "gamer" but not a very serious/avid one. Stadia has been great for casual play and a few of the family/kids games that I play along with my little ones. They have a blast. I also enjoy the cross-platform nature of it. Using a Chromecast is great on the huge projector and then sometimes more casual play on a computer (via the browser) since some games I prefer to play not on a huge screen and with a mouse/keyboard instead of their Stadia Controller.

I haven't bought many titles, personally, so if it is disappeared, I wouldn't be terribly upset. Annoyed, yes.

And it would probably cause me to go hunt around a bit more at Xbox Cloud gaming (Which I have also tried and looks promising with a nice but small library of titles) and I have yet to check out GeForce Now but have heard good things there, too.

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Post by anjbe »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #123
Ken_At_EM wrote: post #96

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You’re of course entirely correct. Valve feels different because you can install the games and play them on a machine of your choosing. Maybe if Stadia allowed you to play the games on your machine OR Stadia, the would have been a more compelling offering. Personally, I would have loved a service like that. There are so many games that my machine can play and I don’t want to deal with even the slightest lag, but I’ve…

>>Maybe if Stadia allowed you to play the games on your machine OR Stadia, the would have been a more compelling offering. Personally, I would have loved a service like that GeForce now and xbox cloud both seem to check those boxes, with geforce now offering more permanence. You buy a game on steam or GoG or epic or whatever, than play it offline on your computer or stream via geforce now. I was skeptical but loved i…

> GeForce now and xbox cloud both seem to check those boxes … You buy a game on steam or GoG or epic or whatever, than play it offline on your computer or stream via geforce now.

XBox Cloud doesn’t check that box, at least not on PC. You can transfer your streamed game saves to an XBox but as far as I know there’s no way to export them to a PC, and it wouldn’t matter because save files are not going to be compatible between your PC game and the streamed version which is an XBox port.

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