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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by apricot »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #298
Goronmon wrote: post #154

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

> collapsed arrows

Yes. Who ever thought making up and down arrow keys so small was a good idea? They are high usage keys, and every time I'm on a laptop keyboard like that, I cringe whenever I use the arrow keys.

In fact, the keyboard is the first thing I look at when I'm in the market for a laptop. Small arrow keys = pass, I won't even look at the specs or price.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by kristianp »

pmlnr wrote: post #486

Please, please, please make s keyboard option that has full size arrow keys, dedicated pgup, pgdown, del, ins, home, end. The current laptop keyboards, apart from thinkpads, are a joke for those who want to work on them, the framework, sadly, is included. I'd also love a trackpoint with 3 dedicated buttons but I'll keep dreaming.

I agree about the separate Home, End PgUp, PgDn keys. Still mad at Apple for influencing the removal of these from all laptop keyboards! It's one big reason that I have a Thinkpad, even though their keys aren't as good as a Surface's or Mac's.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by numpad0 »

cooperadymas wrote: post #192
pauke wrote: post #176

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Business class Dells and HPs have one too. Named differently because TM but good enough.

I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

Rumor is, some IBM sales rep somewhere at some point in history managed to put pointing stick into a procurement requirement for professional laptops, so to make only ThinkPads to be qualified. Many agencies are not capable of drafting good requirements on their own and such skewed requirements written by the winning contractor to exclude competitors are sadly common.

There is always a model or two in every laptop manufacturer's mobile workstation lineups with a pointing stick, for that reason. Not often is in consumer or non-workstation business laptops, and I was never impressed with one, but there always is one.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by lukeschlather »

ay wrote: post #533
lukeschlather wrote: post #456

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doyougnu was previously running NixOS on a Macbook so their bar for "working" is probably much lower than a normal person's. I'm on Windows, but if a Linux could give me reliable power management I would switch in a heartbeat. I don't know what it would take to have sensible power management on Linux without major issues.

Have a look at thinkpads. I used x280 and x1 over the past 5 years with more than a week’s worth in folded lid sleep state.

I own/have owned multiple Thinkpads, a couple of which run Linux. The power management on Linux is bad.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by samtheDamned »

trelane wrote: post #582
Shared404 wrote: post #561

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But just as far away from no official support, which is where we stand with most hardware that I'm interested in.

I don't get why you're not interested in hardware that fully supports Linux, and which comes with great support, but you do you I guess.

because this hardware is uniquely repairable and upgradable and it has better linux support than most of the industry. Unless you just want another rebranded clevo laptop this is very good.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by unnouinceput »

deepsun wrote: post #373

Used it for half a year. All works awesome, but I don't know how to update firmwares on my Linux Mint/Ubuntu. There are some guidelines on website, but they don't seem official, and say something like "you may need to fix your bootloader after" which sounds scary that I'll break my perfectly working system.

"The system" is on your hard, yes? Who's stopping you to buy another one for testing and swap them out? This way you preserve your perfect working system AND get to play with your desires on the other one. IMO framework laptop is made specifically to tinker with as much as possible in the end.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by kristianp »

plaguepilled wrote: post #583

'We're not taking orders in your country' COOL THANKS!

Once I get to the checkout and address stage, the only country that can be selected is USA. I think they should let you know well before you have to create an account that this is the case.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Shared404 »

trelane wrote: post #582
Shared404 wrote: post #561

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But just as far away from no official support, which is where we stand with most hardware that I'm interested in.

I don't get why you're not interested in hardware that fully supports Linux, and which comes with great support, but you do you I guess.

I did say most.

Next time I buy a laptop, it will be System76 or Framework, depending on which offering I like better at the time.

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