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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by n0on3 »

ayngg wrote: post #577
cogman10 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

I actually think that this is just one example of many across a ton of disciplines where people like Nurses basically are forced to deal with costs and responsibilities offloaded onto them from above the responsibility chain. Resources are eaten up at the top of the chain to their benefit and costs are offloaded down the chain until it reaches people like Nurses at the end of the line who have to deal with it because…

This. So much this. In so many fields, it's actually hard to find one where this is not the case.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by 14 »

cogman10 wrote: post #479
14 wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

> How much more do nurses need? What you need to realize is that nursing salaries in the US are NOT uniform. From what I've seen in past discussions about it is they range anywhere from $20/hr -> $100k/year. The $100k/year are usually achieved only in cities and generally only by travel nurses. The majority of nurses, that I've seen, are clocking in at 50->60k yearly salary. Sort of like saying "Oh, that google dev m…

He was an icu nurse not a travelling nurse and not in a big city. Washington state I forget the city but it wasn’t a big city like Seattle.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by notch656a »

ayngg wrote: post #577
cogman10 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

I actually think that this is just one example of many across a ton of disciplines where people like Nurses basically are forced to deal with costs and responsibilities offloaded onto them from above the responsibility chain. Resources are eaten up at the top of the chain to their benefit and costs are offloaded down the chain until it reaches people like Nurses at the end of the line who have to deal with it because…

I don't disagree nurses DESERVE to be paid more (I'm not sure if the economics bear out but they're certainly as WORTHY as many other professions), but wouldn't the fact that these nurses continue to work in nursing despite considering leaving bolster the argument even further that they are receiving adequate compensation?

Staying when you want to leave indicates there's enough compensation to 'make it worth it' at least versus whatever shitty alternatives you have. Leaving when you want to stay, to me, would be a much bigger indicator that nurses who want to stay in the profession can't because of wage/benefits/conditions issues.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by titanomachy »

Aperocky wrote: post #392
germinalphrase wrote: post #55

I have a close relation that works for one of the oldest pediatric hospitals in the country. It was recently revealed that they will be shuttering almost all pediatric services in the next year because they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… Sometimes, it feels like we’re min-maxing ourselves t…

> they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. I knew of certain defunct malls that decided to get rid of things that doesn't make money and only keep the high profit inventories. Soon people stopped coming and they went under..

If we stop providing health care to young people, then everyone will just die and there won't be any old people left to profit off of.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by throw8383833jj »

defterGoose wrote: post #335
throw8383833jj wrote: post #296

Here's my naive understanding of the situation: It sounds like they're just being overworked. So, just have the nurses take a 20 minute break every 2 hours, to go out and take a walk. The hospital can require it if it comes to that but why wouldn't they just want to do it? and if the hospital doesn't want to do it, then the nurses should insist on it and walk off the job if not given their breaks. I would imagine the…

Well, at least you're aware that it's a naive understanding...

why doesn't collective bargaining work in this scenario? if the demand for nurse labor is so incredibly high, they should have a lot more bargaining power, no?

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

cogman10 wrote: post #416
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

This ended up being the last straw for one of my friends who was a nurse.

He kept getting vacation requests denied due to lack of staffing, yet if he asked if they were looking to hire, the answer was always No.

He was super lucky and had some early cryptocurrency investments pay off big, so he decided he was done with it retired. He said that he loved helping people as a nurse, but not at the cost of his own physical and mental health, having to work 60-80 hours/week. If he ever gets back into it, he would establish at the interview phase that he works 50 hours/week tops, and that vacation "requests" are not requests, but notices.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by boringg »

cogman10 wrote: post #416
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

Executive hospital pay is ridiculous AND the executives are often times just some MBA type without any real value add. How about you chop up their comp between the nurses - would be a start. Nurses are the lifeblood of the hospitals for anyone who has had the unfortunate circumstances of having to spend any time there.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by nfriedly »

tssva wrote: post #519
nfriedly wrote: post #462

My mom was a RN (Registered Nurse) for 30+ years. She quit doing what most people think of as "being a nurse" about 10-15 years ago and switched to related work (home checkups, teaching, medical billing, etc.) because of how stressful and demanding working the floor in a hospital was. Last year she retired from the profession entirely, a few years ahead of "normal retirement age", and now she works part-time at a loc…

12 hour shifts have long been the standard for nurses in a hospital setting. A full-time hospital nurse usually works 3 12 hour shifts in a week.

Yes, you're right, and there are some reasonable arguments for it. But I'm not convinced that it's the optimal solution for all situations.

I my mom's case, she was mostly doing paperwork, so many of the arguments weren't as applicable. She had done 8 or 10 hour shifts for a while and found that she really preferred it (and was staying on top of her work), but then a different manager was brought in that forced everyone back onto the "standard" 12 hour shifts.

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