Live data from Hacker News

Apple Mac Studio

apple.com

591–600 of 734 posts

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t feed the “but I can build a pc for less” crowd. They can’t see the apples to oranges comparison they’re making: a Mac is not a PC. They have different use-cases and run different software.

> They have different use-cases ... Likely mostly running the same workloads such as web browsing. > ... and run different software. Maybe if Apple wrote it. Otherwise you can run the same Chrome/Firefox, Photoshop and Office on a Windows or even Linux Machine. Most software is shared between platforms nowadays with posix/windows being the lowest common denominator in terms of "cross platform".

Professionals are highly paid because of the tools they know. A Final Cut Pro pro isn’t going to switch to an off the shelf Linux or windows workstation and learn a whole new paradigm just because it’s cheaper. What I’m saying is the Mac platform is o be seen as a whole since some popular and useful Mac software like Final Cut isn’t cross platform.

Same goes if you prefer pages to word. Or software from Panic vs something else. The thing is if you’re most comfortable ale and productive on MacOS unless you build a hackintosh you need to buy a Mac and pay the mac tax but you get a whole integrated thing

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nobody outside hardcore computer nerds wants a beige box tower with 14 drive bays sitting on their desk. People want quite little boxes that gets work done without having to have dedicated room for loud machines.

I don't think anyone besides hardcore computer nerds actually care what their computers look like. Lest we repeat the sins of The Trash Can Mac...

Funny you mention it, but this looks like the spiritual successor

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#593
post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 10-core CPU with a performance advantage of 23% over an M1 Max in Cinebench R23 (AMD 5800x) and a 1,280 CUDA core GPU (GTX 1060 6GB) that cost a little over $1,000 US total. UPDATE - Sorry, I originally listed this as a 5900x by accident. I need more sleep.

Your setup is also probably 5x larger and uses 100W more power. It's a question of priorities.

No one outside of SF, Tokyo, & NYC cares about saving power or space for desktops which is why people panned the old garbage can pro. This is a slightly better direction, but I’m still waiting for a slightly more affordable bigger box Mac that isn’t an exorbitant Mac Pro. The old refrigerator models were reasonable. I don’t want an improved Mac garbage can model

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone besides hardcore computer nerds actually care what their computers look like. Lest we repeat the sins of The Trash Can Mac...

Funny you mention it, but this looks like the spiritual successor

Once they mentioned circular power supply, I cringed like a bowl of petunias thinking "oh no, not again"

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#595

I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons, but the Mac Mini, and now Mac Studio, are everything I wish Intel NUCs were. I have an Intel Skull Canyon system from 2016 as my gaming PC and it fits in my wife’s purse. Since then, the gaming NUC variants have gotten larger and larger so that they’re nearly mini-ATX form factor again.

> I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons philosophical? they are the most responsible company ever https://www.apple.com/environment/ they push performance limit while maintaining very low power consumption What's philosophical into buying Intel or Microsoft Windows that constantly spy on you and forces bloat on your face year after year? Apple reinvest into its OS and HW, i don't understand your logic

Apple pushes promotions of their services into my face all the time. Apple Music, Apple Arcade, Apple Whatever. I hate it. At least with Windows I can disable it once and forget about it.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just connect that USB-A hub you know you already have and plug in all the USB-A thumb drives you can fit.

Apple is one of the world's biggest proliferators of e-waste through indirect means. No charger with the new phone huh? Well it's USB-C cable won't fit your old charger or computer either. USB-A is the de-facto standard for thumb drives. Are we all just supposed to throw them away overnight because Apple blessed us with computers without USB-A ports? Or, they'll sell you a dongle for $19 which can be had on Aliexpres…

>Apple is one of the world's biggest proliferators of e-waste through indirect means.

This seems like a very disingenous way of saying that Apple is one of the largest companies on the planet and sells hundreds of millions of devices a year.

Given that Apple regularly supports devices almost a decade old with firmware updates, has one of the most aggressive environmental agendas in the industry, and has invested billions of dollars in recycling programs, I would hazard a guess and say that on an adjusted basis they probably compare very favourably to competitors like Samsung and other OEMs.

>USB-A is the de-facto standard for thumb drives. Are we all just supposed to throw them away overnight because Apple blessed us with computers without USB-A ports?

You're upset about having to reach seven inches further to plug in a USB drive. If that's enough to cause you to throw all of your thumb drives away then I'd say that reflects more on you than on Apple.

>Or, they'll sell you a dongle for $19 which can be had on Aliexpress for $0.75.

There's a considerable engineering (and therefore cost) difference between a dongle that carries all the required electrical certifications, and a 75c Chinese firestarter that stands as much chance of damaging your computer as enhancing it, but that's moot anyway since nobody is forcing you to buy the Apple-made adapter in the first place.

>Would it have killed them to throw an extra USB-A 3.x port on the nearly empty front panel?

Given the form factor, quite possibly. It isn't as simple as just cutting out a slot and sticking a connector in, you need to route that connecter internally and find space on the logic board for the supporting circuitry, which has all sorts of difficult implications for the board layout.

And for what? How many thumb drives do you think the average person needs to plug in at any given moment? Why do you assume that your extremely narrow use-case is so important that it must be given the highest possible priority for Apple's engineers to meet?

The overwhelmingly vast majority of consumers, even pro consumers, will do just fine plugging their thumb drives into the back of the very small box sitting in front of them, or plugging in a USB hub to one of the USB-C ports on the front. Why add complexity and cost to solve a non-problem for a tiny subset of users who, if they're anything like you, were never going to buy an Apple product irrespective of what ports it has on the front?

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nobody outside hardcore computer nerds wants a beige box tower with 14 drive bays sitting on their desk. People want quite little boxes that gets work done without having to have dedicated room for loud machines.

I don't think anyone besides hardcore computer nerds actually care what their computers look like. Lest we repeat the sins of The Trash Can Mac...

For people with big clunky PC boxes, they stick it under a desk or on the floor because that's where it fits and it's out of sight.

Because of the "sleek" design and smaller size, Apple has people convinced that the computer should be like children in the '50s--seen but not heard.

If you offer someone a computer in the shape of the mac mini or this new studio design OR they could have a typical PC style box, I'm guessing the majority of people will choose the smaller box. Even if there are no Apple logos on the smaller box. Nobody wants a 30+lb box any more. As an editor, you can take this bad boy on the road with you without incurring overweight luggage fees at the airport.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t buy Apple products for philosophical reasons philosophical? they are the most responsible company ever https://www.apple.com/environment/ they push performance limit while maintaining very low power consumption What's philosophical into buying Intel or Microsoft Windows that constantly spy on you and forces bloat on your face year after year? Apple reinvest into its OS and HW, i don't understand your logic

Apple pushes promotions of their services into my face all the time. Apple Music, Apple Arcade, Apple Whatever. I hate it. At least with Windows I can disable it once and forget about it.

I never had such issue on my M1 macbook

But i didn't know you you prefer when microsoft force install Candy Crush Saga, Tiktok, Adobe in your start menu, you can remove them? no you can't, and even if you manage to, they'll come back at the next update ;)

To each their own after all, different standard of quality and respect i guess

Re: Apple Mac Studio

#600
post #155

The 2TB option is an extra $400. That's $200/TB. The 4TB option is $250/TB. The 8TB option is $275/TB. That looks like planned obsolescence to me. A customer with 1TB will likely want to upgrade sooner than a customer with 8TB, so this pricing strategy discourages people from buying the more future-proof options. Other SSDs on the market tend to be cheaper per TB as you go up in size, but Apple's seem to be completel…

I've never heard of an accusation of planned obsolescence based on price before. > A customer with 1TB will likely want to upgrade sooner Though I have no data to back it up, I think this is your mistaken assumption. I think it's much more likely that people upgrade because of CPU/RAM than disk space.

Yeah you can throw an external SSD on a thunderbolt connection and unless you're editing video you'll never know the difference.
Post reply on HN