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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by namelessoracle »

boznz wrote: post #134
hui-zheng wrote: post #39

> HR is going to send up a quick red flag and John is likely to resign claiming a poor fit rather than get caught committing or admitting fraud. Though at this point they all know John is committing fraud, they still decided only to approach this guy claiming a poor fit for his resignation. I don't know why they do that. They have discussed a lot and considered many things. I am sure there are many reasons to do so.…

"failure to confront evil is a evil." - A motto all people should live by.

This is actually pretty horrific statement.

You either believe there is objectively defined evil (good luck with getting everyone to agree to that) or you are effectively saying "failure to do what i want makes you evil" if you hold that evil is subjective.

Evil is a very strong term and implies you view at minimum the person as lesser than you and also infers you think they should be punished in some way.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by DrBoring »

no1lives4ever wrote: post #376
DrBoring wrote: post #78

Coming soon: a service that will have ringers do Zoom interviews on your behalf while using real-time deep fake tech to look and sound just like you. All the pieces of the technology required to do something like that may already exist today.

It is simpler than that. Have someone sit opposite you with a mirrored screen and the audio feed going onto his headphones. He can then write the answers that appear on your screen or get shown on another screen around your camera so that you dont look like you are looking away. Spend a bit of time to act about trying to think up a solution, and you have a winning combo. Have seen many people pass online video procto…

Yes that would be simpler, but less fun in regards to the deception at hand.

I suppose a simpler-than-deep-fake method which would achieve the same level of deceptive-fun would be to have your identical twin do the interview for you.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by vmception »

JohnBooty wrote: post #579
vmception wrote: post #539

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> I've also had many that went well. There was a live coding environment, and they allowed for exactly what you said - correction and iteration. They also collaborated with me to an extent. I felt these sorts of interviews were excellent and I did well. They also gave me a great feeling of what it would be like to work with these folks. My best interview experiences were like this. I thought I did well and left those…

Did all of your positive interviews result in rejections? Some of mine did. That always hurt. But, I mean... 1. A lot of companies follow the "it's better to turn away 10 qualified hires than to make one bad hire" adage 2. Even when I know I'm 100% qualified and would be a good fit, that might be true for 10 other candidates as well so I expect a 90% rejection rate even when things go well. 3. Even when I know I'm 10…

Right I’m aware there were potentially other reasons like what the very first chapter in all the tech career handbooks say, as you wrote, and they all concluded that I was wasting my time on a broken process, while surrounded by people bragging about the multiple offers they are able to line up in the same time frame somehow. Well good for them.

I was getting the short straw so I unsubscribed, good for me that was an option at all.

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Post by cryptonector »

This happened to me once. We hired remotely, the guy sounded fantastic, but the guy who showed up didn't even speak English. We fired him within two weeks.

Another time we hired a guy who seemed enthusiastic and had a portfolio of things he had done, but he turned out to be completely unenthusiastic.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Zanneth »

bink wrote: post #32
kurthr wrote: post #16

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And people wonder why managers like hiring in person workers? It's not that you can't fake some stuff like this in person, but it's both harder (more expensive) and a lot more obvious.

This is a pretty uncommon scenario, though. Making everyone work on-site on the off-chance that someone will fake an interview seems like a severe over-reaction.

It’s not just for an interview. Remote work environments allow scammers like this to skate by for years while it’s a lot harder to bullshit in person.

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Post by passivate »

no1lives4ever wrote: post #555
passivate wrote: post #528

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>but those cars would most likely be illegal to sell in the US. When the manufacturers sell the same exact model here in India, I'm curious what you mean by illegal. Do you mean they won't pass emissions or safety?

Mostly will not pass safety or minimum equipment standards. Renault was known to sell cars in India with airbags that were inferior to what they supplied elsewhere. Indian emission laws are fairly strict but based on euro standards, so most cars should pass non ca emissions test.

Hmm, thats interesting. I would have thought that it would be cheaper to mass produce just one version for all markets.

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Post by com2kid »

brimble wrote: post #529
throwaway2037 wrote: post #467

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Regarding large binary assets, I literally Googled "git large binary assets" and had many hits with various solutions. GitHub started offering Git LFS (Large File Storage) in 2015 -- more than 6 years ago. That said, many places still use Perforce.

It's newish (yes, 6 years is newish for projects that don't have a lot more hours, direction, and dedicated drive behind them than git-lfs seems to) and janky or unintuitive in some cases and adds another obtuse nerdy thing for e.g. artists to figure out (or be supported through) and requires extra software and server config to self-host (most of which is, uh, not as complete as one might hope) and makes backups less…

I also think a lot of people in this thread don't understand that large companies don't want everyone having even read access to the entire repo.

Using a system like perforce, artists can drop files in the assets part of the repo, translators can have access to script files, and coders can have access to the parts of the code that they are working on.

Source code licenses are still a thing, where after buying a license only a certain # of people in a company are even allowed to view the licensed source code.

The way this is worked around is a build server exists where some pre-built libraries are pulled from during a developer's local machine build.

While I'm happy to no longer be working in that environment, it is unfortunate that many of the commenters cannot imagine an ecosystem different than their day to day. :/

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by thegrimmest »

hraedon wrote: post #408
thegrimmest wrote: post #350

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I don't think the majority of hires at large companies in the past were corrupt. Certainly that hasn't been my experience hiring people at large tech orgs in the present, and the process hasn't changed terribly much really. Given the scarcity of technical ability, we simply can't afford the corruption. You seem to be discounting the meritocratic process by which people end up graduating from high-ranking schools. Pre…

I guess it depends on your definition of "corrupt" and where you draw the line between corrupt and not corrupt. Would it be the tech recruiter's fault if there were, for instance, a pipeline problem that sharply limited the diversity of their candidate pool? I don't think so, but that wouldn't change the reality that the pool itself is a reflection of corruption elsewhere in the system. I don't know how you could pos…

I would define "corrupt" as hindering the profitability or stated objectives of the organization[1]. If a team hired to get the job done happens not to be diverse, that doesn't mean the hiring is corrupt. For instance, winning NBA teams don't tend to be very diverse, but I don't see anyone seriously suggesting the NBA draft is corrupt.

By that token, if your company tends to hire a certain sort of person, that is by no means an indication of corruption. I certainly don't see what's inherently corrupt about submitting a job application, going through interviews, and ultimately being hired, mostly by strangers.

When you say you want the solution to be "fair", what do you mean exactly? If a Chinese restaurant staffed entirely by Chinese people hires only additional Chinese people, with the intent of maintaining the efficiency of a culturally homogenous environment, is it fair? Does it matter? It certainly isn't corrupt. Doesn't this apply to every business and any culturally discriminatory hiring criteria?

1. This does a pretty good job of describing cronyism https://meltingasphalt.com/crony-beliefs/

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Post by MandieD »

ethbr0 wrote: post #371
no1lives4ever wrote: post #358

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Maybe it is time to get a new job. These days there is a big shortage of tech talent and deserving candidates can get very good pay in India. The typical trick is to apply for and interview to as many companies as you can. Get a good offer and put in your papers. Given that most companies have a 2-3 month notice period, once you are on notice, you can continue applying for jobs and shop around. The funded startups in…

2-3 month notice?! Holy shit, is this really standard? In the US, it's univerally 2 weeks .

In Germany, most contracts (and any regular job has a contract) say something like 1 month notice for the first six months on both the employer and employee’s side, and 3 months for the employee after that trial period, and possibly longer for the employer after you’ve been around for several years.

My colleagues were shocked when I confirmed that offering more than two weeks’ notice in the US is super nice to your employer, and two weeks is not considered unprofessional.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by WalterBright »

dredmorbius wrote: post #558
WalterBright wrote: post #557

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Performance anxiety goes away with repetition. I have plenty of personal experience with that and so do many others I know. This is not a special skill. You don't have to be a champion. You just get used to doing the performance and the anxiety goes away. Just like if you're nervous about driving on the freeway, or flying in an airplane. Heck, I remember buying my first phone answering machine. I froze up repeatedly…

If you're in your 20s and experiencing this, perhaps. If you're in your 50s and it's still a constant problem, quite possibly not. Again, people aren't infinitely malleable, and don't all fit in standard packages. Even seasoned stage performers often face crippling anxiety before performances late in their careers. Others take their own lives, often at a young age. Dick Cavett is among those who've suffered crippling…

Depression is a different problem from performance anxiety.
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