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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I, personally, find it amazing that so many people were willing to sacrifice nearly two years of their quality-of-life to fight a virus that wouldn't hurt most of them. I know everyone is doom and gloom about covid, but I'm actually pretty impressed with how much the typical person (outside of political manipulation and coercion) was willing to sacrifice for others. If you had asked me in early 2020 how long it was p…

> so many people were willing to sacrifice nearly two years of their quality-of-life

This always smacks of hyperbole. How much quality of life was sacrificed, really? It's not like we had to all go dig trenches or something. We just had to stop going to brunch.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

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What sort of long-term effects? Which harmful vaccine are you using as a reference?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Moderna's mRNA vaccine is based on one they tested for SARS-Cov-1 in 2003, and they have done long-term follow-up on those participants. They all turned into alligators after 15 years.

That's like saying: the crotch rocket is based on internal combustion engines, that have been proven safe in multiple automobiles. So crotch rockets are safe because they use internal combustion engines. MRNA is the platform. You can do good and bad things with the same platform.

More like saying, the Ninja 200xcr is a minor update of the Ninja 199xcr, which has been around since 2003 and shown to be safe when properly operated. So, Ninja 200xrc is almost certainly safe too.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

the bigger problem is that their initial selling point for the vaccine was "get your 2 shots and everything goes back to normal". Many people grudgingly got it despite some hesitancy and now have even less trust of the government now that the goal posts are shifting yet again

It COULD have been "get your 2 shots and everything goes back to normal", but vaccine adoption stalled at about 60%. That's not nearly high enough.

The virus stuck around and we got Delta, and now Omicron.

And we're STILL at less than 70% vaccinated. I don't know what's required for herd immunity, but it doesn't take a Ph.D in virology to know that 70% isn't it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

#595

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

I'm very skeptical of this thesis. Biden's mandate (I'm assuming this is what you're referring to) was not announced until September of last year, and there was already very significant vaccine refusal by that point. Up until that point, they had been doing exactly what you want, and vaccination had essentially stalled.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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It's a really hard position that we find ourselves in. In the beginning when we believed that there was a chance of containing Covid-19, many people I knew(myself included) thought that we would finish with this pandemic within a year. Due to a variety of reasons including poor over all handling of the pandemic by world governments, people refusing to wear masks or respect social distancing guidelines, or to get vaccines, that path was closed to us. We are now two years into this, and for people like me who are vaccinated and boosted... Who have spent the entire pandemic following guidelines, avoiding social gatherings, watching others flout the rules... Getting Omnicron and riding it out at home for supposed "super immunity" is looking pretty attractive. I'm exhausted from dealing with the pandemic, everyone is. My heart hurts for the people who can't get the vaccine and want to, but my sympathy is running low for folks who have simply refused. I experience shame when I catch myself thinking, "We can't let this run our lives forever!", knowing that it was the rallying cry of people early on in the pandemic who refused to cooperate with CDC recommendations.

I very rarely share personal anecdotes involving my family, but here goes: I have been watching my mother care for my grandmother whom is in hospice care for about a year now. My grandmother was already sickly enough that they chose not to get her vaccinated when the vaccine came out. This in part because my grandmother has a bad enough grasp on reality at this point that she becomes confused when she leaves her house and my mother is trying to avoid her having a panic attack and possibly hurting herself or straining her already damaged heart. My grandmother is housebound and mostly bed bound, and my mother mostly works at home and takes care of her. In the beginning my mother wasn't letting people into the house to see grandma, but my mother thought that there would be time for the pandemic to pass for my grandmother to see her other family members before she passed. Now grandma's health is declining and there is a growing sense of urgency. My mother is distraught... Does she let grandma pass without seeing her family members again(Really more for the family members than grandma at this point, but maybe not in my mother's mind), or does she risk bringing covid into the house and ending grandma's life potentially a bit prematurely and frankly awfully? My mother is caught in the very non-enviable decision between quality of life and length of life... For her own mother. I know this is a decision that many families have to make for their loved ones, but in the midst of a global pandemic when so many have lost their lives it feels even sadder somehow.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

#597

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

Just fyi a cough persisting for a few weeks after an initial infection is nothing new at all (COVID or otherwise). I have suffered a few weeks of persistent cough after a viral/bacterial respiratory infection pre-pandemic and unfortunately am suffering right now with an annoying cough. But it will go away in a couple of weeks.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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We still don't know if the omicron variant leads to "long COVID".[1] We'll know some time in February. That has a big effect on what to do next. Omicron-specific vaccines are in test. Moderna's should be out in Fall 2022. Pfizer claims March 2022.[2] The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3]…

Nice to seeing that "hang tight for 3 weeks, we'll know more then" is still effective after 2 years.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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post #113

I've gone through cycles with this. Mostly I am done arguing. I hate arguing about this. It's just more of the culture war shit that so many different media sources love pushing to keep people amped up. I double vaxxed and boosted. Stopped wearing a mask for the most part, but with Omicron I started wearing a mask again because I just don't want this stupid virus. I'm healthy and would probably not have a symptomatic…

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I especially like the bottom right corner that says THE JEWS are all doing it. /s

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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post #445

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

What way to beat the virus? Clearly not vaccines as they aren't that great... Clearly not lockdowns as as soon as we give that up the virus hits... We aren't beating it in anyway... Maybe it is time to accept the reality.

I've been telling people to "get it, and get over it" since March 2020. The best thing anyone can do is live a healthy lifestyle, and the majority will be fine.
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