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Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Text is mightier than the Metaverse. Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. News and politics junkies prefer reading text tweets on Twitter to watching talking news anchors. Once upon a time Amazon was a company that only sold books. Dried ink on dead trees. And in the early internet age this book seller outperformed…

This feels like something that would come out of GPT-3!

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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So philosophy of the 'Metaverse' aside. As a developer the thing that sort of resonated in the demos I've seen was the displays on the 'walls' of your rooms. I haven't really tried VR in its modern incarnation yet. However, my day-to-day developer life consists of two monitors (Macbook, and larger display above), within those are a half dozen virtual desktops, and within those are several terminals, vscode usually remote debugging, and various database clients, chrome (with a million tabs), etc. So the killer-app for me would be an awesome interface to N 'virtual desktops', along with some amazing eye-tracking/hotkeys to lock desktops to my PoV, split to side-by-side, 4x4, etc. Bonus points if I can experience my work environment the same in a coffee shop, work trips, etc. I often find myself working on just my Macbook's monitor and spend 30%+ of my time just switching between views on different virtual desktops. The goggles for me now look to clunky to easily use in a coffee shop, although if portable and running off my laptop then perhaps would be fine for working on the road in a hotel room. Bonus Bonus points if there is an easy way to share views among team mates. I work for a fully remote company and we regularly pair program via Zoom. This generally means one of us 'drives' displaying one of their monitors and switching back and forth between desktops, etc. We've gotten pretty good at it, but there is still the occasional game of telephone where the person(s) not driving are trying to get you to focus on something and the description is just not clicking. Zoom's assume input control is kind of clunky, so we usually spend a few minutes talking until it clicks and the 'driver' realizes what is being asked of them, etc. Often shouting out a line number of some code that looks suspicious is used, but occasionally it goes by fast and your telling the 'driver' to back track, etc. An experience where another individual can piggyback on your view, or take selective control of specific 'virtual desktops' or clone them to adjust the view or try something out would be ideal. Probably, just a clean switch of control from 'driver' to 'observer' would be enough to still count as a killer-app. Final thoughts; I described my workflow which is probably somewhat similar to many other developers and remote teams. However, I can imagine other types of jobs that would enjoy multiple 'virtual desktops' without having to purchase physical monitors. Financial types come to mind as well, but really any field where you have to synthesize multiple streams of input a la multiple monitors.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#593
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That we, "the old folks", just don't get it, limited by having passed our "exploratory" phase and well into "exploitation" phase (something I read here in HN the other day). And they may have a point: after all, "the old folks" 30 years ago were saying the same thing about the Internet, well into 2000s.

> we, “the old folks,” just don’t get it Zuckerberg is 37 years old, so he’d probably be lumped into “the old folks” category. Why would he get it and not us? I’m, a decade younger than Mark, so idk if I’m young enough by your standards to get it, but my sister and her friends are in college and think this is all a joke. None of them are interested in putting on VR goggles, let alone joining the “metaverse.” None of…

> It’s Zuckerberg’s attempt to distract Wall Street investors and consumers from Facebook’s growing problems.

Those problems, at their recent peak, are that – recent. Yet I know, for a fact, they have been working on the new concept for very long now. I spoke to a FB insider about a year ago already and he, in very diluted way, described what we know as metaverse now.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#594

Metaverse is not bullshit. It's a sign of desperation. Facebook has _nothing_ for the future. * Blue app is already on it's death bed. * Instagram is already seeing a massive decline in quality and engagement as its getting close to the end of its lifecycle. * They managed to survive Snapchat, but I think that made them think Instagram is too big to fail. Thus, they didn't go after TikTok. It was a mistake. * What's…

Facebook did have a budding developer ecosystem back in late 2000s with game developers and app developers using Facebook's platform to build their businesses. While it did have tons of privacy issues and data leaks, they could have built it into a sustainable ecosystem instead of making endless changes forcing developers to leave their ecosystem.

I remember I used to use a kanji memorization app on Facebook in the 2000s. It was pretty neat. Too bad stuff like that is gone now.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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This thread feels like 1860's consilium on what future will look like 500 years later. The shape of the metaverse will be formed by a new generation, not by older guys (and not by fortnite addicts who play by the rules of the former) who know nothing better than drive a fancy “car” on the “road”, as if roads or a concept of physical movement or the euclidean rule would still be there for common use and not for museum…

I write poems. I write music. I write code. I build books. I play songs. I compiled this client.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#596

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I find it hard to see much of a serious case for NFTs, but I mostly agree with what you're saying. Even if it is a "schadenfreude generator," Amazon's attempts at having third-party sales on their site with "zshops" were a laughing stock until they weren't.

There are non gaming use cases too

What are they?

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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> Text is mightier than the Metaverse. "A Picture says more than a thousand words." > Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. Because text is asynchronous, and persistent. Text is a weak medium, but with specific strengths which can beat others in certain situation if they can played well. > We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. I guess you haven't discove…

>"A Picture says more than a thousand words." If I give you a thousand word essay, good luck crating an image that conveys the same information. I mean you could photograph the essay, but then we're back to text again.

What if the essay topic was "Tell me what a tiger looks like".

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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I'm waiting for the day I can Ctrl-F on a Youtube video, say a key phrase, then the video jumps to the point where someone says the key phrase (or the video is about the key phrase). Meanwhile, text is so much more easily consumable. (Youtube Premium junkie here, BTW.)

Technically, you can already do that today, as many youtube-videos have now autogenerated subtitles. Someone just need to build a tool utilizing them for this. Though, to be fair, the quality of those subtitles is sometimes a bit questionable. And they are not available in all languages. Especially if you want a different language then what is spoken in the video. But yes, of course this is another case in which text…

wait you can ctrl+f, just open the transcript on desktop. ideally should be added to their other clients but it works today

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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What on earth does the NFT part add here? WoW can add unique, auctionable items at any time using their existing tech. It's already a centralised platform, so decentrilisation doesn't add much...

A number of NFT promoters have made the argument that other video games could support the WoW NFT and then that content would be portable across those games!!! Okay, but none do, and none will, and any other video game that did code in a substantially similar functionality would simply sell the same content in their own game, there's no benefit to the company to spend the time and money to make the content and not ge…

> But also this vision is predicated on there being a small number of canonical NFT brands, when in reality you can open up Grand Theft Auto Online and there are literally tens of thousands of items made for the game. So if there's 10,000 items made for GTA Online and 50,000 items made for the Sims Series, then interoperability means that Square Enix needs to add 60,000 items to Final Fantasy to support subsidizing the NFT marketplace for the other two games? Or else you sit around trying to import your Mercedes Hood Ornament NFT from Forza into Mortal Kombat 13 and it tells you "hey, we don't support that one! Or that one! Or that one! Or that one!"

Another possibility is mapping everything to a limited set of items. So like, I can bring over any of my golf clubs from PGA Tour 2K12 to Grand Theft Auto, but they all just map to a generic "golf club" I can beat people up with. But this isn't very compelling after the first couple times someone tries it.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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post #585

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> Text is mightier than the Metaverse. "A Picture says more than a thousand words." > Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. Because text is asynchronous, and persistent. Text is a weak medium, but with specific strengths which can beat others in certain situation if they can played well. > We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. I guess you haven't discove…

>"A Picture says more than a thousand words." If I give you a thousand word essay, good luck crating an image that conveys the same information. I mean you could photograph the essay, but then we're back to text again.

> but then we're back to text again.

Or are we back at pictures? Because text is generally just a collection of tiny little pictures.

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