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Go buy a couple of singles off iTunes over a couple of days and see how long it takes to hit your card. Apple has always deferred charging cards to minimize processing fees by bundling multiple purchases together.
I’m aware of that and don’t see how it changes what I wrote at all.
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Do you run 1p and 3p code in the same environment? That’s frequently the challenge mobile operators run into - the OS needs privileged access to location services (eg 911) that it can’t grant untrusted code.
> That’s frequently the challenge mobile operators run into - the OS needs privileged access to location services (eg 911) that it can’t grant untrusted code. It doesn't actually need this. The phone app can just ask for permission to access your location, which you would then give it when you call 911 because you want the emergency responders to know where you are. Anyone who really wants to can already deny the pho…
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Not at all, there was nothing inevitable about Apple's success, many analysts, pundits and their competitors have been adamant Apple would fail for the first decade or so of the iPhone. After that these claims started looking a bit thin. You're presuming that market abuse has occurred and that market abuse is the only way to get popular, but I don't see that's a given. Maybe people simply genuinely like iPhones just…
They've expressed anti-competitive behavior from the beginning, but it's advanced over time. It's the confluence of factors that makes it particularly bad in Apple's case. You can't chance the software (OS) on the device. You can't run iOS on a different set of hardware. You can't run any store but the App Store on iOS. You can't deliver software to customers without using the App Store (or jumping through hoops for…
There is no reason why Apple should have to support any of that. They design and build the product, and they decide what features it has. The vendors don't provide support for running an alternate OS on Symbian phons, or the Gameboy, or an XBOX, or your car's infotainment system. You either like the features the product has and buy it, or you don't.
>at every step Apple has taken steps to make sure competing is extremely hard to do.
How exactly? There was and is nothing to stop a competitor bringing out an alternate platform, in fact that's exactly what Google did. MS and did as well, and at that time smartphones were a small minority of phones overall.
The thing is what Apple, and Google did is very, very hard. It takes massive investment and very sophisticated technology. Once you have a platform and services and apps, network effects kick in and it becomes beneficial for people to converge on platforms used by their friends and family, but there's nothing manipulative or illegal about network effects, there's no coercion. It's just rational customers acting in their own interests to prefer one product over another. How do you regulate that away, or make it illegal? Why would you even want to?
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That argument does not work when there are only two service providers in town, Apple and Google.
It works precisely because there is an alternative with less onerous rules. It works even better because the alternative provider is BY FAR the larger player. Apple is a minority player in mobile.
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#595Wait what???
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#596They should unbundle. At the moment, doing business on the app stores entails so many things, but they can break them apart and allow developers to purchase them individually: 1. Put your app on the store. (but only reachable via direct link) 2. Have Gapple verify that your app does not represent any obvious security threat. (or else warn users upon install) 3. Make your app appear in search. (organically) 4. Make yo…
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#597It’s not usual for news on my country to be on top of HN. Very unexpected. I’m guessing though that the South Korean market is be significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day. I guess this is, in some kind, a victory against the huge companies. But… personally I do find sad that this would be detrimental to South Korean app UX. Stripe isn’t a thing here…
> I’m hoping that Apple will provide APIs for showing payment screens and Apple will still control the ability to show all subscriptions, cancel them in one single place, etc… but I don’t think Apple will ever do that. Unfortunate… I'm not sure that Apple can do it without being an intermediary in the process - managing the billing. And... well... that's what Apple Pay is . In order for Apple to be the one to show an…
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I don’t want my grandma using WhatsApp. The corporation that owns it behaves pathologically as a matter of policy and I have no idea what they’d try to do to her. So yes. That’s a perfect example of how this would be an improvement.
preventing your grandma from using whatsapp through technological friction must be one of the worst ways to handle it. this extremely selfish, I've seen whatsapp let old people enjoy internet like we did as kids. if you want to be a responsible member of the tech community at least take the time to educate your own grandma.
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Developers will avoid Apple libraries. Native apps already are not so popular with Cordova, Flutter, React Native and other options.
You cannot develop an app for iOS without using Apple's libraries.
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#600I do want to pay.
I mean it.
Please take my money.