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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by david38 »

jnosCo wrote: post #505
dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

I think you're giving Rogan too much credit if you think he even for a second would care about Freedom while staring at a 9 figure check.

He absolutely does. That paycheck won’t stay that big of his popularity craters.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by karmanyaahm »

jnosCo wrote: post #505
dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

I think you're giving Rogan too much credit if you think he even for a second would care about Freedom while staring at a 9 figure check.

tbh, Rogan's not alone. Not many people would.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by HNPoliticalBias »

foldr wrote: post #269
meowface wrote: post #186

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>Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist I think Milo is a scumbag, personally, but where did he self-proclaim that he's a white supremacist? >Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist No, he didn't. His lawyer attempted to argue that he was during a lawsuit, as a defense against full culpability for his actions. Lawyers (understandably) try to pull out everything they can to help their clie…

These people are too smart to literally say “yes I am [the bad thing]”, but Milo is not exactly subtle about where his sympathies lie: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-h...

> buzzfeednews

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by rtkwe »

nradov wrote: post #232
suzzer99 wrote: post #219

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This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Yeah he's not making a comedy podcast and often for his wilder guests like Alex Jones when confronted will say he's "fact checked" a claim. The fact check only extends to skin deep, one claim about coronavirus the fact check was that the article Jones was referencing existed nothing beyond that because it was a misinterpretation of a misinterpretation and completely wrong.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by tzs »

WalterBright wrote: post #332
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Not in any normal way; the geocentricists tried to build mechanical models but the increasing number of epicycles was a big clue that the system was in fact heliocentric.

I well understand the history of this topic, after all, I have two years of Caltech physics :-) Nevertheless, as Einstein demonstrated, things look very different depending on the frame of reference. There's no such thing as a "normal" frame of reference. > the geocentricists tried to build mechanical models but the increasing number of epicycles was a big clue that the system was in fact heliocentric. Not exactly, i…

Galileo didn't really do a good job of proving the heliocentric view though. His advocacy of it was based more on aesthetics than observations. There was a great look at this in an article called "The Great Ptolemaic Smackdown and Down 'n Dirty Mud-Wrassle" in the Jan/Feb 2013 issue of Analog. The author has an expanded version on his blog here [1].

[1] http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-great-ptolemaic-smac...

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ajkjk »

manigandham wrote: post #525
ajkjk wrote: post #393

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The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.

The claim was that what made him a gateway was his literally acting as a gateway:

> When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative.

This is in spite of his politics.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by vl »

zepto wrote: post #13
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Would you fell into a trap like this for 100.000.000$?

Apparently he made $30M in the year before the deal. If the deal lasts for more than 2 years, then he has made a serious error.

But you also have to assess risks. Joe is a prime candidate for getting canceled. Being on YouTube carries this risk for him.

On Spotify not only he got some cash upfront, but also significantly mitigated this risk, since platform is way more aligned (i.e. it's important business for Spotify and a footnote for YouTube).

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Post by hncurious »

pandeiro wrote: post #411

Not surprised this degenerated immediately into a mass ranting session about pandemic science with pretty much the entire catalog of cognitive biases and logical fallacies on display. I guess that's interesting to some, from a sociological standpoint, but for me, there's more than enough of this on literally every other social media platform. I'm interested in a discussion about the actual dynamic of spotify vs youtu…

If you took Rogan's podcast and transported it back to, say, 2014, there would be no controversy. He would simply be seen as a liberal comedian having casual, friendly conversations with a wide variety of people.

It's just that we're currently in the middle of a moral panic and the self righteous authoritarian hall monitor types are having their day in the sun. Just as we saw in the 80s/90s with Howard Stern who was offending similarly delicate sensibilities. Although today's empowered puritans are not the same group that went after Howard, they are of the same cloth, merely rebranded to the time. It's an unfortunate recurring bug of America.

Frankly I find it incredibly boring, anti-intellectual, anti-curious and absolutely stifling. The sooner we all get back to ignoring them the better.

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Post by nemothekid »

danenania wrote: post #584
nemothekid wrote: post #580

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> Dogma implies a shared set of principles that are followed without question. FWIW, Merriam Webster defines dogma as a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds . That's the definition I was using, that I thought was more colloquial. Simply holding a strongly help opinion on shaky grounds is dogmatic. I don't believe that definition is at odds with what I'm describing.

Um, you cherry-picked a single bullet point out of that definition, and not even the first one. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma 1a. something held as an established opinion, especially a definite authoritative tenet. 1b. a code of such tenets. 1c. a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds. 2. a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated…

Even if I cherry picked the one I thought was most clearest, none of them are even imply a shared set of principles that are followed without question, nor do any of the definitions under (1) contradict what I was saying.

>Also, when has Joe Rogan ever claimed, or even implied, that his beliefs are "authoritative"?

If you literally watch JRE today he does with regards to keto.

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Post by Dove »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #559
handmodel wrote: post #218

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I think the model of giving away Joe Rogan to all users of Spotify (even if not paying subscribers) is worst of all worlds from a business POV. Think how many people still subscribe and pay over ten dollars a month to listen to Howard Stern. I subscribe to a few podcasts on patreon at $5 just for the few bonus episodes. And I have trouble believing the ad revenue Spotify gets for this is anywhere close to what paying…

In Joe Rogan's case, I doubt people would pay. Then again, I haven't been able to understand his success. I cringe when he calls himself a Comedian. I cringe when he talks science. (Always felt someone should sit down with him and explain The Placebo Effect, and The Scientific Method, and what goes into a good Clinical study. I would be shocked if he ever even took Psy 101.) Is it the upfront pot use that garners so…

He's honest, curious, talks to interesting people, and uncensored. He's a great window into perspectives on life I don't have, and doesn't feel coercive or pushy when I disagree. I've learned a lot from him, and don't honestly have much of a substitute. Mind you, with the Spotify transition, I don't really trust some of those points anymore and haven't really listened since.
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