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It's still a non-zero chance it triggers a no-knock raid by the police that kills your family or pets. it happens all the time
Non-zero being technically true because of the subject matter, but I don’t see how Apple’s system increases the risk of authorities killing family or pets more than server-side scanning.
False dichotomy. How about they leave people's data alone?
I have a newborn at home, and like every other parent, we take thousands of pictures and videos of our newest family member. We took pictures of the very first baby-bath. So now I have pictures of a naked baby on my phone. Does that mean that pictures of my newborn baby will be uploaded to Apple for further analysis, potentially stored for indefinite time, shared with law enforcement?
Lots of people responding to this seem to not understand how perceptual hashing / PhotoDNA works. It's true that they're not cryptographic hashes, but the false positive rate is vanishingly small. Apple claims it's 1 in a trillion [1], but suppose that you don't believe them. Google and Facebook and Microsoft are all using PhotoDNA (or equivalent perceptual hashing schemes) right now. Have you heard of some massive i…
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Huh? Apple uploads all photos to iCloud photos (just as google does). This includes CSAM and not CSAM. It keeps a counter going of how much stuff is getting flagged as possible CSAM. They don't even get an alert about anything until you hit some thresholds etc. And no one has reviewed anything yet at all, the system is flagging things up as other systems do. Are you sure (legally) that one can't review flags from a m…
> Are you sure (legally) > Is your goal that apple I'm not a lawyer and i want apple to do nothing especially not scan my device. I'm saying the linked article in discussion says you can't transmit content you KNOW (or suspect) is CSAM. You don't assume that all your customers' content is CSAM, but post-scan, you should assume. The only legal way to transmit (according to article) is if it's to the government authori…
A strong claim (apple committing CSAM felonies) should be supported by reasonably strong support.
Here we have a blog post where they've talked to someone ELSE who (anonymously) has reached some type of legal conclusion. If you follow the QAnon claims in this area (there are lots) they follow a somewhat similar approach - someone heard from someone that something someone did is X crime. It's a weak basis for these legal conclusions.
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Thanks for coming on here. You WILL be downvoted. I'm a parent, it's also crazy to me how THIS of all things is where folks are going crazy over privacy. Literally, they will build something to track your every mouse move, scan every photo, log and sell all your browsing history and TV watching history (including big ISPs and mfgs). And this is the thing folks get outraged about? Apple can already scan your stuff on…
> I'm a parent [...] > Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). It's crazy to me how you fail to see that instead of everyone playing cyber cowboys and child predator indians the focus for preventing child abuse should be in real life. Criminalizing content does absolutely nothing for those kids who are abused by someone close to them. And unfortunately the vast majority (~75%) of cases happe…
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> I'm a parent [...] > Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). It's crazy to me how you fail to see that instead of everyone playing cyber cowboys and child predator indians the focus for preventing child abuse should be in real life. Criminalizing content does absolutely nothing for those kids who are abused by someone close to them. And unfortunately the vast majority (~75%) of cases happe…
Actually - sharing and having the photos out there is further and active victimization of the victims and does bother them. So shutting that down is a good use of resources.
I don't doubt for a minute that victims continue to suffer from the knowledge that there's a lot of traumatizing content on the Internet, and that various services integrating with clearinghouses help.
I also don't doubt that Apple is at least semi-competent and could pull this off in an okay-ish way. But all the goodwill and clout that these megacorps have would have been better spent on advocating for policies that prevent child abuse. (Neglect, physical and sexual.)