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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Spooky23 »

Silhouette wrote: post #525
willtim wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Specifically, I have a problem with any operating system that will update itself in arbitrary ways without our consent and at a time we have not chosen. I was sitting in a keynote talk at a conference once and mid-presentation Windows decided it was time to update. Very embarrassing for the speaker and for Microsoft.

Now imagine that was a salesman's laptop being out of action and it happened at the start of a big demo to a C-suite decision maker for a potential deal worth millions.

That happens all of the time.

Salespeople forget that the computer exists to update itself. Anything you do with it is a distant second, because security.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Spivak »

swiley wrote: post #500
dagmx wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux distros also have equivalents to App Stores, and really an app store isn't different than apt-get from a lay persons perspective. Assuming you ignore payment/cuts, but it seems you're opposed to free App Stores too.

Linux distro repos are maintained by the community not a corporation. The only app store like that is f-droid.

Hahahahahhahahaha. You might have a point with the likes of Debian, Arch, and Gentoo, but Ubuntu, RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, SUSE, Oracle Linux, Amazon Linux, Rocky Linux are all maintained by corporations.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by thrashh »

usrusr wrote: post #425
FridayoLeary wrote: post #380

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- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support…

Again, Microsoft seems to be genuinely incapable of understandng why anyone could havev ever liked the Windows already available. As if that was some crazy unthinkable impossibility. Perhaps at some point between 60 and 90% market share you should stop trying too hard to be like the others and consider the possibility that not everything you've done is wrong?

I like the idea and motivations behind a lot of the changes a lot of the time but it’s basically never done well. It’s like… always mediocre.

Like they added weather to the Win 10 taskbar recently and it’s something I’ve wanted before… but it’s blurry! Wtf??

That’s the problem I have with MS… they can do a lot of good engineering but they rarely can do product design, so half the things they build are doomed to fail by default.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #579
kaptain wrote: post #575

I tried switching to Windows about 2 years ago from macOS. I found that the lack of a good replacement for Preview was a real deal breaker for me. I tried a lot of different things to make it work. It wasn't the only thing, but the fact that I spent so much time finding a PDF viewer/light-editor that didn't have adware, was free, and had enough functionality was difficult (in my case I was unsuccessful) on Windows. H…

I'm the opposite. I can't believe that Finder is the best Apple can do for a file explorer. It is an absolute abomination and after 4 years of using my MBP I still hate it passionately every time I have to use it. I agree that preview is nice, as is Spotlight. But for me, OSX is getting too locked down at this point as a "power user". The sandbox makes apps take obscenely long to open like as if I've been teleported…

> I'm the opposite. I can't believe that Finder is the best Apple can do for a file explorer. It is an absolute abomination and after 4 years of using my MBP I still hate it passionately every time I have to use it.

Brother, I feel you. I hate finder so much I operate almost exclusively from the command line in os x.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by askonomm »

actuator wrote: post #261
apozem wrote: post #34

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Absolutely. Microsoft doesn't have a large existing Windows Store business to protect, so why not make Apple's life harder? I think it's also the solution that best meets the reality of apps in 2021. Big third-party devs like Netflix and Amazon will opt out of in-app purchase entirely before giving a cut to the platform owner. May as well let them use their own payment system so users get a better experience than sig…

It is such a welcome thing. Big platforms like Netflix, Spotify don't owe any revenue share to Apple, Microsoft or others. They made their own brand and have been responsible for their own success. These big OS/device companies in fact compete with them with unfair advantages like pre installed apps, prominent product placement on AppStore and closed/early integrations.

Alright. So if Netflix wants their app to be hosted and indexed by the App Store, Apple should just provide the costs related to that because of charity? The bandwidth alone I imagine carries a pretty hefty price for an app like Netflix. By your logic, this should all be given free - which actually is negative profit for Apple .. why? Would you create an App Store, dedicate resources on moderation and app curation, as well as infrastructure, and then just give it away free? Would your stakeholders still back you if you did that?

I never understand this line of logic, and the idea that for-profit entities somehow _should_ do lots of charity.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by cdrini »

satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

Do you have a citation for this?

> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup

I saw a video of Linus tech tips taking the leaked demo for a spin, and it looked like there was an option to use it with a local only account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odZSCdNTFPw&t=305s

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by cunthorpe »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #579
kaptain wrote: post #575

I tried switching to Windows about 2 years ago from macOS. I found that the lack of a good replacement for Preview was a real deal breaker for me. I tried a lot of different things to make it work. It wasn't the only thing, but the fact that I spent so much time finding a PDF viewer/light-editor that didn't have adware, was free, and had enough functionality was difficult (in my case I was unsuccessful) on Windows. H…

I'm the opposite. I can't believe that Finder is the best Apple can do for a file explorer. It is an absolute abomination and after 4 years of using my MBP I still hate it passionately every time I have to use it. I agree that preview is nice, as is Spotlight. But for me, OSX is getting too locked down at this point as a "power user". The sandbox makes apps take obscenely long to open like as if I've been teleported…

When Vista came out I was one of the few ones that loved it and was excited about the slew of features that Windows Explorer brought. Every field of photos and MP3s was visible, sortable, groupable, editable.

Then I tried macOS 10.4 and found the Finder an absolute joke in comparison and other than QuickLook in 10.5 there haven't been any improvements since. The only things that the Finder has going for it are QuickLook and the columns view, everything else is pretty subpar.

Nowadays I don't do much file management (or so I lie to myself) so my Mac is good enough for that.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by orionblastar »

squarefoot wrote: post #503
rektide wrote: post #449

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since windows me it's been clear there's a product designed to be utterly unpalatable, a product whose purpose is to produce upsells by behaving rudely.

I always thought that Windows ME was designed to make users rush to XP, and Windows Vista to drive them to 7.

The real issue was driver support. If you had the right hardware you had no issues. If you had a weak graphics card Vista would not have certain features.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by lmm »

drewzero1 wrote: post #414
dmt0 wrote: post #358

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Microsoft is continuing their long tradition of screwing up every other version of Windows. 98SE - ok, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - bad, 10 - good, 11 - can safely skip it and wait for 12

The way I see it, 8.1 was the (relatively) good version, and 10 has been... okayish. 8.1 did a good job walking back most of the interface travesties from 8, and still retained the best parts of the Windows experience. (Fullscreen apps notwithstanding.) 10 has been changing dramatically with every update, moving or replacing system/settings screens and making their own documentation obsolete. I hate 10 a lot less tha…

I didn't mind 10 at first but I hate it more and more as it keeps updating and breaking things. They recently completely replaced the IME implementation with a new one that refuses to do the configuration I need (Dvorak Japanese), silently replaced the dual graphics card configuration with one that ignores all the preferences I've previously set, and added weatherbug to my taskbar like some early 2000s malware.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by cunthorpe »

plushpuffin wrote: post #341
notRobot wrote: post #3

Can't we just go back to Windows 7 UI and UX with modern Windows 10 feature and security enhancements?

It's hard to overstate just how bad the Windows 10 UI is compared to 7. Just look at this example of how Windows 7 visually shows you the differences between the various desktop stretching/fitting options, and Windows 10 leaves you guessing: http://www.wwddfd.com/plushpuffin/personalize-desktop-7vs10....

I agree with that dropdown part, but the UI in the first screenshot is laughable, especially for the scroll bar and menu bars, you surely agree. The Windows 10 UI is much cleaner and so is the macOS one (unchanged since 2001, however there's no tiling support at all):

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207703

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