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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fillskills »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

On my drives, I usually count how many pickup trucks are carrying something/anything. I have one this is Austin, Kansas City, Seattle, Los Angeles. My assumption when I started was that this data would differ by location and about 40% trucks would be carrying something.

In reality the average is 2 out of 100 trucks carried anything in my counting. The highest I have seen in Los Angeles with 6 trucks carrying something.

That makes me believe that when you own a pickup truck, there is a small change of needing its large bed and powerful engine.

It maybe like gaming ready computer, swimming pools or fireplaces - usage is very low for most people, but you just might need it urgently someday. Or you think you might change your habits if you buy it

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

>We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items.

I every one owns a pickup, why don't you simply rent one (à la Airbnb, e.g with GetAround) for just a day?

I've never owned a vehicle (other than a bicycle, but I live in Paris) but can easily rent any kind of car/truck/van anywhere in Europe. It saves me a lot.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by belval »

notJim wrote: post #458
ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

Sure the checkout process is great, but as someone who ordered a car in March and is still waiting, it kinda goes downhill from there.

That's for most EVs though... My parents waited over 8 months for their Chevrolet Bolt.

Now add the chip shortage.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dahfizz »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #583
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I see a lot of "rent one for a day" type of comments. I paid $4k for a 93 F150 a couple of years ago. I live on a 1/4 acre lot in the suburbs and just the amount of stuff I've hauled to my small property over the last two years would've far surpassed the $4k in rental charges. Mulch, compost, rocks, lumber, etc. Lots of back and forth with not knowing whether I'll need more or not... so many unknowns in-between. Take…

All of the "just rent a truck for the day" comments are from city dwellers who can't imagine a lifestyle different from their own.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kingsuper20 »

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

Oh well, there's a lot of people doing illogical things out there.

Folks who sit in their Civic every day for a couple of hours because they need to live here and work there.

Folks who own Subarus who rarely, if ever, make use of the AWD.

Folks who never ever use the back seat of their cars and might as well have a car that's 3 feet shorter.

Folks who own cars that can go over 70 mph.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by keyboardCowBoy »

I have a mid size GM truck and it sufficiently handles all my needs. It's not overly large and drives fine in the city and tight spots. It has good performance gets easily 25MPG on the highway. Trucks standup more to abuse, and are usually more reliable. I haven't had any real major issues with it. I take mine down some unkept dirt roads, something I would not want to take a unibody low group clearance car down. When I go camping I just throw everything in the bed with some bungee cords and I'm ready to go. I have a bike and when I transport it I just use a bike pad and don't have to mess with taking the bike wheels off and trying to stuff it in a car. Also the biggest selling point is trucks hold their value quite well.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by linuxhiker »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I will likely never drive anything but a truck. They are the ultimate useful vehicle. I have an F150 as my daily driver and an F250 for my farm truck (I have 10 acres).

No, I am not a Trump flag flyer. I just happen to really like useful vehicles.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by linuxhiker »

avidphantasm wrote: post #434
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Or just rent a pickup when you need it for $50 a day? Fancy-boy pickups easily cost upwards of $50k.

You are funny. A "new" truck can easily run you 70k.

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Post by kingsuper20 »

namdnay wrote: post #30
pionar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never been one of those things, but they're still useful. I had an F150 for a while that I only used to transport things like mulch or helping friends move or moving myself. I still have an old Ranger that I use for those purposes today. It seems insane to assume you can be the judge of what's "useful" or "utility".

I think you're being a bit unfair. We all agree that they're useful, but surely in a world win which we need to a) reduce road and parking space in order to encourage better forms of transportation , b) reduce our consumption of natural resources ,maybe we need to discourage individual ownership of 3000kg utility vehicles?

We probably just need fewer people.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by adrianmonk »

pkulak wrote: post #286
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

Driving off road is a more common use case for pickups than for delivery vans. Some pickups get driven around on construction sites, and some are used as farm vehicles.

Obviously some people take this way further than practically necessary, but the basic form of a pickup does have a legit reason to be different than a delivery van.

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