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Re: Voltswagen of America

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> In practice, if a name has a common pronunciation within English, you show respect by using that pronunciation when speaking to native English speakers. Here's how I read this. "We as an English speaking group will continue to not make an attempt to pronounce it right even if we can. Once we don't we will have a common pronunciation that doesn't fit the original one. Once it becomes common, we will get offended if…

> If the original speakers insist, we will call them pretentious." Way to overreach way beyond what I originally said. If I was speaking to someone I knew was Dutch, of course I would (try to) say "København." Then they'd probably laugh at me and we'd agree to call it Copenhagen. :P Or if I want to read your view in the worst possible way-- similar to how you've read mine-- "People who use the established pronunciati…

I'm not sure if this is a joke I don't get but speaking about weird cultural mix-ups: Copenhagen is not related to the Netherlands. I'm actually glad that people are getting EU states all mixed up but we're not there yet, guys ;)

Re: Voltswagen of America

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I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

My dad used to joke that if you wanted sneakers that were not made by child labor, your best bet was whichever manufacturer last got into trouble for it because of all the extra scrutiny. That this level of fatalism about immoral acts exists is a failure of society as a whole. I suspect that all of those who got rich either knowingly or being willfully ignorant about emissions cheating walked away completely unpunish…

> Maybe less rich than if they hadn't gotten caught, but still richer than if they hadn't cheated in the first place.

Which is exactly the calculation that their lawyers and executives made, more or less.

You're right that it's a failure of society as a whole. A failure to make bad actors pay for negative externalities.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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post #179

I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/medi...

Actively cheating on test environment vs not good at real usage is very different. In latter case, possibly test and regulation should be improved to fit real usage.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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It has been adopted to a degree. Just like you don't need to say Paris as "Pari" in an imitation of the French pronunciation (which would probably sound rather affected and twee in English if you did) Anyway, let's hope they make reliable electric vehicles (as their combustion engine cars have traditionally been) otherwise people may render it as Faultswagen

Typically the capital city has an English name, which is often not just pronounced differently but also spelt differently from the local name. But for almost every other town English speakers use the same spelling, or a transcription of it, and aim for something like the local pronunciation. So for France, there's "Paris" and "Strasbourg" and that's about it. For Germany, there's "Berlin" and "Munich" and that's abou…

Whilst it's interesting to think about your points, they feel somewhat orthogonal to my point about the word being adopted into English (so it can have a pronunciation the way native speakers feel comfortable with, which can vary to a degree from the original unadopted word). Was it meant as some kind of rebuttal or merely an interesting observation? (eg with the Italian names)

Re: Voltswagen of America

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This is funny, yet ridiculous :-)) Their brand is so tainted in the US that they're renaming it. I imagine it's going to be the only place they'll do it.

How isn't their brand tarnished around the world? Besides the emissions scandal, their vehicles are just expensive and difficult to maintain. I've got a diesel VW Jetta. It has been nothing but a money pit. I'm in the US for reference.

Even in Japan, VW is considered as one of the most reliable import car brand. Of course Toyota is different level.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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From what I have seen VW had a sort of genuine reckoning with the whole diesel issue. They have reinvented themselves, shed cruft, cut all fuel vehicle development and completely devoted themselves to an electric future (vehicles, batteries, chargers). They have turned things around wholesale and are now producing amazing, relatively affordable electric vehicles (their new id.4 SUV will debut in the US for just a lit…

Despite all the focus on Tesla, companies that makes a minimal, good and inexpensive electric car/truck will win big as far as I'm concerned. Bonus points for an iconic look.

Here's the EV that is outselling Tesla in China. Priced at US$5k: https://thedriven.io/2021/03/01/wuling-mini-outsells-tesla-m...

Maybe not iconic, however.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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They will pay premium for not snapping the domain name first and then releasing their PR peace...

Agreed. The Post says it's no joke: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/03/30/voltswage...

Reuters says it's a joke https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-usa-name/no-vw...

Re: Voltswagen of America

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> If the original speakers insist, we will call them pretentious." Way to overreach way beyond what I originally said. If I was speaking to someone I knew was Dutch, of course I would (try to) say "København." Then they'd probably laugh at me and we'd agree to call it Copenhagen. :P Or if I want to read your view in the worst possible way-- similar to how you've read mine-- "People who use the established pronunciati…

I'm not sure if this is a joke I don't get but speaking about weird cultural mix-ups: Copenhagen is not related to the Netherlands. I'm actually glad that people are getting EU states all mixed up but we're not there yet, guys ;)

Hahaha. Woops, Dutch, Danish, what's the difference? ;)

This is really pretty sad on my part. I was just in Copenhagen for 3 weeks a year ago, just before COVID. :P

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Do you actually pronounce it like "double-you" (with 3 syllables) in that context? I'm a native speaker from the US South, and hadn't realized this until I read your comment. For me, the "W" always gets shortened to "dub-you" in AWS (or "dubya" if I'm not being picky about it). Standalone, I might pronounce "W" more like "dub-a-you if I'm emphasizing it, but not usually. Anyhow, thanks for pointing this out. I will a…

"AWS" ends up being more like "ay-dub-yes", doesn't it?

Nearly, but unless I'm speaking with family members / other people with thick southern accent, I try to keep the "u" sound present - though it's more like the French "u" than the "you" sound. So typically it sounds like 'ay-dub-yuez", with a short pause between the "yu" and "ez". It's the sound that would be in between "Suez" (like the canal) and "swez". Replacing the "yu" sound with the "ya", does indeed end up sounding like slightly elongated "yes".
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