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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by amadeuspagel »

neogodless wrote: post #430
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The President is the most powerful figure of the government. Government censorship is the greatest threat to democracy. The President wants his voice to be the loudest, most trusted voice. The President wants to discredit any dissenting voices. The President only wants your vote to count if you voted for him. If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging…

Orwellian drivel.

> If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President

If you are against censorship, how can you be against censorhip of the president and his supporters?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by FpUser »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #533
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Would you prefer: 1) YT and Google employees watching over us OR 2) the Koch Brothers, paid actors from Russia and Saudi and hyper-partisan US groups, etc. all flooding our information platforms with trash and noise, completely UNCHECKED, in the name of "freedom"? I think there's solid evidence that option 2 is terrible for us, the USA has had a disastrous COVID response, for instance. Meanwhile, we haven't really tr…

>"I think there's solid evidence that option 2 is terrible for us, the USA has had a disastrous COVID response, for instance."

So you are blaming Koch, Russia, information platforms, etc for Government fuckup?

Does your Government decide their actions based on youtube videos? Somehow I doubt and if it does then it only has itself to blame.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by enkid »

cambalache wrote: post #421
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

You can't say "the democrats" were claimed ng fraud. As far as I am aware, no major democrat questioned the legitimacy of the election or claimed widespread fraud. Iirc, the only notable person who claimed widespread fraud in 2016 was Trump himself, so stop claiming equivalency here.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by majani »

feoren wrote: post #466
macspoofing wrote: post #4

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

It's weird to me that we still have people that still cling to the idea that censorship and curation of content is always evil and every site on the Internet should allow completely unmoderated speech, when we've seen over and over and over that such sites always devolve into festering echo-chambers of hatred and racism. Always. Every time. Not only are you conveniently ignoring that reality, but you're also ignoring…

Those are some extraordinary sweeping claims you've made with exactly zero evidence to back them up.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by slashdev »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

It's all fine until they censor us. Sooner or later they'll go to far. In my opinion they already have.

When they censor medical doctors for talking about the facts around HCQ. Or I see PHDs censoring themselves on the subject of covid19 vaccinations instead of being able to have an open, honest conversation.

I don't like all the lies and fake news out there and how easily it sucks people in. But censorship isn't the answer in my opinion.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by fumar »

pavanky wrote: post #246
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

You say this while half the country believes random people on Youtube and Facebook, refuse to wear masks in a pandemic that is killing people by the thousands. I was young and believer in open internet once (and still am mostly) but the society as a whole has underestimated how much people are susceptible to being deceived and the cost differential between spreading and refuting false information. I don't see this as…

Marketing works and that means propaganda works. Constant messaging can and will influence people's behavior.

Consumer Reports studies consumer products, product marketing claims, and real-world use. That enables consumers to make more educated purchase decisions. Is there anything like that for political news or news in general? If news is a form of entertainment which is a product, then it deserves some level of critique to measure its accuracy.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by lopmotr »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #565
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

I know its weird, but if I don't like YouTube here in the USA, I can choose to watch videos somewhere else, it isn't my only choice. Except in China, YouTube isn't a choice at all (even via a flaky VPN, video streaming is iffy). As another analogy, there have been resemblances made between Trump and Xi as both being authoritarians. However, one was unelected, and one declared himself president for life. Huge differen…

You can't just declare it. You have to have the political power for people to respect it. Even after Xi became president, he didn't have that power until he purged his opponents. Trump certainly never will.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by mlindner »

enumjorge wrote: post #259
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Once again a thread about censorship invites comments that ignore the nuance of the situation. Having companies dictate what information is widely accessible is dangerous for democracy. Having the sitting president make completely baseless claims in an effort to delegitimize the results of an election because it didn’t go his way is also dangerous for democracy. That’s what we call a tricky situation. We don’t have a…

There _isn't_ nuance here. That's the entire point. It's an extreme slippery slope and this is already several steps down that slope. The earlier things were censorship of moon landing hoax videos and other such conspiracy theories. People didn't have an issue with censoring those as a tiny minority thought those. Now they're censoring things a significant double digit minority things (probably). Wait until they start censoring things that the political party alignment of the owners of Youtube disagree with, as that's the next step.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by mlindner »

enumjorge wrote: post #259
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Once again a thread about censorship invites comments that ignore the nuance of the situation. Having companies dictate what information is widely accessible is dangerous for democracy. Having the sitting president make completely baseless claims in an effort to delegitimize the results of an election because it didn’t go his way is also dangerous for democracy. That’s what we call a tricky situation. We don’t have a…

There _isn't_ nuance here. That's the entire point. It's an extreme slippery slope and this is already several steps down that slope. The earlier things were censorship of moon landing hoax videos and other such conspiracy theories. People didn't have an issue with censoring those as a tiny minority thought those. Now they're censoring things a significant double digit minority things (probably). Wait until they start censoring things that the political party alignment of the owners of Youtube disagree with, as that's the next step.

At this point Youtube is no longer a "common carrier" of anything at all.

Also don't forget how terrible Youtube's algorithm is and how it bans people at random and deletes video streams at random.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by etchalon »

gentleterror wrote: post #576
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Yeah, like that one time when Twitter and Facebook banned spreading of a mostly true article about Hunter Biden. Oh, wait, that rejects your point, man. Social networks are much more venomous.

They banned the spread of a story that lacked anything resembling coloration or basic standards of journalism.

"Mostly" is still completely unknown when it comes to the contents of that laptop, it's provenance, and the veracity of individual emails.

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