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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by octoberfranklin »

phkahler wrote: post #537
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt. That's another case of a product not doing its primary function - OS running apps - because company placed their own (data gathering) objective above it. See thermostats not turning on heat when the internet…

See also: all electric vehicles (except a few very old designs).

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by czbond »

sneak wrote: post #509
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

Even when it works right, it’s transmitting the apps that you use, as well as your timestamped coarse geolocation (from client IP) to Apple, which logs all of it. It’s good for city-level location. They know what times you're at home, and what apps you're using there. They know what times you're at work. They know what times you're tethered. They know when you travel, and to which cities. They know when you're on a f…

Whoa - thank you for sharing that.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by octoberfranklin »

Aperocky wrote: post #450
twoodfin wrote: post #30

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Almost certainly so. Apple has built chains of certificate trust very deep into the OS, along with apparently an assumption that this particular revocation service check is reliable & fast enough to call out to the network a lot .

Oh man, imagining a DDOS to fail that over. Imagine how many people would lost their productiveness, maybe not at the big corps or govt (I assume they use a version of mac that call somewhere else/don't). But very very many people.

> Oh man, imagining a DDOS to fail that over.

That might be what we just saw happen.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by JKCalhoun »

auslegung wrote: post #164
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57

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I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

Perhaps the issue is, it didn't used to be like this.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by in_ab »

p1necone wrote: post #58
modeless wrote: post #19

You've got to be kidding me. When Apple's servers are down, all Macs worldwide start freezing randomly? My XCode is hanging during builds, is this why? This code signing enforcement stuff has gone way too far. Heads should roll for this.

Wait what happens if you don't have an internet connection? Can Macs not be used offline any more, surely that's still a relatively common use case for a laptop even today in a lot of places?

If you are connected to a network without an Internet connection, it just becomes unusable. Internet connection is somewhat unreliable in my area, and I had an internet outage that lasted for days during the COVID lockdown. I feared it was a malware infection causing the slow down. I switched over to Linux not long after.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by JKCalhoun »

pavon wrote: post #410
nomel wrote: post #358

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I never have problems with the new MacOS or iOS. The trick is to just wait for the X.1 update.

This is happening to Macs running Catalina and Mojave, not just those that upgraded to BigSur.

High Sierra it is then. ;-)

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by xnyan »

areoform wrote: post #533
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Thinkpads. Lenovo is far from perfect, but they have been good stewards of the brand.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sgtnoodle »

acomjean wrote: post #553
areoform wrote: post #533

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So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

My partner bought a razer 13 inch to replace a MacBook Air. It wasn’t cheap, the build quality is excellent and it handles everything (she’s in an orchestra and records her parts on it, does graphic design and sometimes plays fortnite.). The screen is quite nice and the build quality is better than my system 76 (onyx pro) which I really like too. Dave2d on YouTube gives pretty short and decent laptop reviews. I think…

My 2017 razer stealth 13" has rather questionable build quality.

* Once a month or so, the touchscreen flips out and starts registering dozens of random finger taps per second. There are tons of complaints on the internet, but Razer never acknowledged it as a known issue.

* One of the long rubber pads on the bottom fell off after about a year and a half.

* The USB-C power cord's insulation was frayed from day one.

* When running Linux, the kernel continuously reports "correctable" pci-e errors, indicating a signal integrity issue. I had to turn down the verbosity of the messages to keep from spamming the journal.

* When running Linux, a monitor connected via HDMI has random "snow" noise. When playing any sound through the builtin speakers, the monitor blacks out every 10 seconds or so. Plugging in headphones "fixes" it.

* The bios' ACPI implementation is buggy and doesn't properly report whether the lid is open or closed. As a result, the laptop sometimes fails to go to sleep when I close it, and sometimes fails to wake up when I open it. It works most of the time but not always in windows, and linux got into a perpetual sleep-wakeup-sleep loop until I found the right workaround.

* A plugable brand thunderbolt dock "glitches" every 10-20 seconds when typing on a USB3 keyboard. Plugable claims it's due to buggy Intel firmware in the laptop. To be fair, a different brand of dock works fine, though.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by JKCalhoun »

pgt wrote: post #352
jrochkind1 wrote: post #300

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Huh apparently I win by still being on an old OS version?

My policy is to never upgrade anything until everyone I know has upgraded to the next version and not downgraded after N weeks.

LOL, my policy is to never major-upgrade the OS the machine came with.

I have machines around the house with OS'es going back a ways...

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