Epic should revoke Apple’s access to unreal engine ;)
Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#592Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry, it sounds like we're saying the same thing. Notarization is not a stick-less carrot. Anyone can sign up and agree to the rules and pay the fee begin notarizing apps. If you break the rules you agree to when you sign up, you lose access to notarization. It seems like we disagree about this basic understanding, so I'll take a couple guesses at it. Are you, perhaps, arguing that Apple should not be allowed to…
Sure, I'll bite. My mental model of notarization is strictly a means to fight malware (which, yes, is a nebulous word, but I think we can all agree that Unreal Engine games don't blanket qualify). Since most people are essentially prevented from running non–notarized macOS software, Apple should treat notarization as a rubber stamp. As long as your app is not literally malware, Apple should notarize it. Apple's use o…
I think that'd be ideal.
1. You can submit software anonymously, or with a free account, or with a paid account.
2. Apple can refuse notarization for the usual reasons they do now.
3. Apple can, in the future, revoke notarization and notify you.
3a. If you choose to submit anonymously, notification is impossible.
3b. If you choose to submit with a free developer account, they'll notify you of revocation and why.
3c. If you choose to submit with a paid developer account, they'll allow you to contest the revocation.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#593Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some might see a difference between "a developer who went public about their frustrations with the App Store" and a developer who deliberately violated the policies and then filed a lawsuit and started an extensive PR campaign.
Epic needed to demonstrate that they and consumers were harmed in order to have standing to sue. If Apple's policies are illegal then Epic is not bound to follow them and retaliation is unjustified. It won't be known until it's decided in court. That's why Epic's motion should be granted to prevent retaliation until the court decides.
Yes, this exactly. I hope everyone reads this.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that Apple is going to kill Epic Games' ability to notarize macOS apps does actually make their software unusable on Macs.
No, it doesn't. It just means it's users have to take extra steps. I use non-notarized software every day on a Mac.
It's technically possible yes, but Epic's position is much much worse than that. They won't be able to legally build any app because the SDK is proprietary and only available to registered developers.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#595Earlier quoted context omitted.
Come on, I don't think anyone is pretending that this wasn't a deliberate provocation by Epic
Suffering a harm is how one gets standing to sue.
Suffering harm is how one sues and wins, yes. Anyone can sue for anything and quickly lose, but to have any hope of winning, you must be harmed.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being banned from the iOS App Store also doesn't make your software unusable on Windows, or Mac, or any other non-iOS platform. The App Store's exclusivity is precisely the same as that of nearly every video game console.
> The App Store's exclusivity is precisely the same as that of nearly every video game console. I don't understand why you keep bringing up video game consoles in this discussion. 1. You seem to believe people actually agree with the way console stores work. This is not the case. 2. The fact that the situation is also terrible somewhere else doesn't absolve Apple of anything. That's not how justice works.
TBH, the console makers are probably thinking 'shit, Apple is going to end up ruining it for all of us.'
Not that it matters, but the Amazon app store has the worst policies IME.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#597Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that Apple is going to kill Epic Games' ability to notarize macOS apps does actually make their software unusable on Macs.
No, it doesn't. It just means it's users have to take extra steps. I use non-notarized software every day on a Mac.
"Oh you can install the software, you just have to do a handstand and say 'I love Apple' in front of your computer, no biggie"
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#598Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah to be honest while I think Apple clearly has monopoly power here that should be reined in, I also get the feeling that Epic will have a pretty weak argument for why they purposely violated the Terms of Service and then expect to continue using the SDK tools.
If you argue a company doesn’t allow behavior X, doing it and getting punished is the best course of action to prove the point. To your point, they have a whole lawsuit filling explaining why they think X should be allowed.
According to the law, the best course of action is not to break the law to prove you don't like the law. While the Terms of Service are not the law, you agree to follow them when signing up and the terms didn't change after Epic signed up.
Practically, you may be correct that this is the most expedient way to try to fix the problem but you can get burned as Epic has in the short term with a sharp drop in revenue as Apple & Google have both booted them and may refuse to work with them in the future.
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#599Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#600From a preliminary statement of Epic's motion: > Just over two weeks ago, Apple’s CEO Tim Cook was asked during a Congressional hearing whether Apple has “ever retaliated against or disadvantaged a developer who went public about their frustrations with the App Store”. Mr. Cook testified, “We do not retaliate or bully people. It’s strongly against our company culture.”
This isn't retaliation though for Epic going on Twitter and being angry about the App Store practices, or the situation like Hey where the was a lot of press and negativity. Epic breached the terms of the agreement for their app, so their app was removed from the App Store. Other than needing to fix their app to no longer be in violation of the guidelines, they could have cured that breach of the contract. Instead Ep…
Epic isn't suing because Fortnite was removed from the App Store...